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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 23, 2023 13:04:39 GMT
Then why does he claim to be a libertarian and yet syncretize his position with Catholic conservative ideology? Ah, but you see politics in Argentina is not supposed to make any sense or align to anything so sordid as logic. Libertarians Against Abortion versus Money Printers Against Inflation. Saenz Pena must be turning in his grave. |
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Post by Delighted Of Tunbridge Wells on Oct 23, 2023 13:07:16 GMT
Then why does he claim to be a libertarian and yet syncretize his position with Catholic conservative ideology? Ah, but you see politics in Argentina is not supposed to make any sense or align to anything so sordid as logic. I'm not sure politics makes sense anywhere on this strange planet, to be honest! |
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Post by Khunanup on Oct 23, 2023 13:16:01 GMT
Ah, but you see politics in Argentina is not supposed to make any sense or align to anything so sordid as logic. I'm not sure politics makes sense anywhere on this strange planet, to be honest! Ah, but even on this planet, Argentina is SPECIAL! The only country where the national syncretic political ideology is both a) extraordinarily electorally successful and b) absolutely, completely and utterly crap and has resulted in terminal decline. Peronism is a sham and the Argentinian people allow themselves to be endlessly conned by it, based on an halcyon view that Peron was actually good for the country rather than being the rocket fuel for said terminal decline. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 23, 2023 13:22:58 GMT
I'm not sure politics makes sense anywhere on this strange planet, to be honest! Ah, but even on this planet, Argentina is SPECIAL! The only country where the national syncretic political ideology is both a) extraordinarily electorally successful and b) absolutely, completely and utterly crap and has resulted in terminal decline. Peronism is a sham and the Argentinian people allow themselves to be endlessly conned by it, based on an halcyon view that Peron was actually good for the country rather than being the rocket fuel for said terminal decline. This journalist makes the case that Peronism invented Peron, and that the term doesn't even really mean anything anymore. Great article. batimes.com.ar/news/opinion-and-analysis/peronism-argentinas-eternal-political-mystery.phtml |
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Post by Delighted Of Tunbridge Wells on Oct 23, 2023 13:31:49 GMT
I'm not sure politics makes sense anywhere on this strange planet, to be honest! Ah, but even on this planet, Argentina is SPECIAL! The only country where the national syncretic political ideology is both a) extraordinarily electorally successful and b) absolutely, completely and utterly crap and has resulted in terminal decline. Peronism is a sham and the Argentinian people allow themselves to be endlessly conned by it, based on an halcyon view that Peron was actually good for the country rather than being the rocket fuel for said terminal decline. Macri was given a chance, to be fair, and fucked it. How can you expect the population to vote for change if it didn't work last time? |
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Post by Khunanup on Oct 23, 2023 13:39:55 GMT
Ah, but even on this planet, Argentina is SPECIAL! The only country where the national syncretic political ideology is both a) extraordinarily electorally successful and b) absolutely, completely and utterly crap and has resulted in terminal decline. Peronism is a sham and the Argentinian people allow themselves to be endlessly conned by it, based on an halcyon view that Peron was actually good for the country rather than being the rocket fuel for said terminal decline. Macri was given a chance, to be fair, and fucked it. How can you expect the population to vote for change if it didn't work last time? Well they consistently vote for no change even though it didn't work last time... |
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Post by iain on Oct 23, 2023 13:52:03 GMT
Ah, but even on this planet, Argentina is SPECIAL! The only country where the national syncretic political ideology is both a) extraordinarily electorally successful and b) absolutely, completely and utterly crap and has resulted in terminal decline. Peronism is a sham and the Argentinian people allow themselves to be endlessly conned by it, based on an halcyon view that Peron was actually good for the country rather than being the rocket fuel for said terminal decline. Macri was given a chance, to be fair, and fucked it. How can you expect the population to vote for change if it didn't work last time? Though in fairness, Congress remained controlled by the Peronists throughout Macri's time in office. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 23, 2023 13:58:37 GMT
Macri was given a chance, to be fair, and fucked it. How can you expect the population to vote for change if it didn't work last time? Well they consistently vote for no change even though it didn't work last time... This is clientelism for you. |
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Post by Delighted Of Tunbridge Wells on Oct 23, 2023 14:34:35 GMT
Macri was given a chance, to be fair, and fucked it. How can you expect the population to vote for change if it didn't work last time? Though in fairness, Congress remained controlled by the Peronists throughout Macri's time in office. Such are the perils of democracy I guess... |
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Post by Dave Morgan on Oct 23, 2023 14:54:56 GMT
Macri was given a chance, to be fair, and fucked it. How can you expect the population to vote for change if it didn't work last time? Well they consistently vote for no change even though it didn't work last time... The mess Argentina is in is Decades old, if not the best part of a century. You aren't going to fix it in one term, or with easy or painless solutions. Shame as such a wonderful country and warm people (even if a lot of them really struggled with my British English...imagine they're more used to American English). |
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Post by rcronald on Oct 23, 2023 14:59:41 GMT
Well they consistently vote for no change even though it didn't work last time... The mess Argentina is in is Decades old, if not the best part of a century. You aren't going to fix it in one term, or with easy or painless solutions. Shame as such a wonderful country and warm people (even if a lot of them really struggled with my British English...imagine they're more used to American English). It’s something in their culture imo, because even in Israel they have a reputation for having hard-left (and unrealistic) economic views (even the ones who aren’t former Communist Guerrillas or their descendants). |
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Post by Sibboleth on Oct 23, 2023 15:06:09 GMT
Ah, but even on this planet, Argentina is SPECIAL! The only country where the national syncretic political ideology is both a) extraordinarily electorally successful and b) absolutely, completely and utterly crap and has resulted in terminal decline. Peronism is a sham and the Argentinian people allow themselves to be endlessly conned by it, based on an halcyon view that Peron was actually good for the country rather than being the rocket fuel for said terminal decline. This journalist makes the case that Peronism invented Peron, and that the term doesn't even really mean anything anymore. Great article. batimes.com.ar/news/opinion-and-analysis/peronism-argentinas-eternal-political-mystery.phtml |
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Post by rcronald on Oct 23, 2023 15:10:01 GMT
Some sort of late stage fascism? |
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Post by Khunanup on Oct 23, 2023 15:32:16 GMT
Some sort of late stage fascism? That's a little bit to thought through. Try again! Great article above. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 23, 2023 15:33:28 GMT
Peronism is like the old joke about asking the Swiss what 2+2 is.
"What would you like it to be?"
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Post by rcronald on Oct 23, 2023 15:35:01 GMT
Some sort of late stage fascism? That's a little bit to thought through. Try again! Great article above. I have a theory that if the rise of Nazism didn’t happen, Fascism (the Italian kind) would have eventually turned into what Peronism is now, a failed yet popular cult of personality. |
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Post by Sibboleth on Oct 23, 2023 16:05:19 GMT
Peronism is like the old joke about asking the Swiss what 2+2 is. "What would you like it to be?" Political Dadaism. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 23, 2023 19:17:39 GMT
Peronism is like the old joke about asking the Swiss what 2+2 is. "What would you like it to be?" I fear, i have already narrated this joke here, but not everyone will have read it, so i'll do it again: The son of Peron was allowed to escort his father to a meeting, where he agreed to the tradeUnionists attacking capitalism; later they went to the Opus Dei, where the father gave them right in their praise of capitalism. Afterwards the son shouted enragedly: "You are a characterless chameleon!" "You are also absolutely right, my son!" To be serious: I cannot see, that Peronism has been anyThing else than other national-socialistic movements all over the world (a la AtaTürk, Baath, INC, PRI aso.): Socialism was a bourgeois idealism, developed in bourgeois brains - but with the intention to overcome bourgeois atomism, the will of selfAbRogation. And in - compared to wealthy NW-Europe's old nationalStates - poor and undeveloped ("late") nations (Czechs, Italians, Germans, Third World) socialism merged immediately with nationalism: After all they were discriminated as workers and as Czechs/... The military has generally had a closeness to socialism (cf. Sparta or Prussia) and the caudillos have based their power usually on the uneducated&poor masses (although they naturally had to arrange themselves tacitly in some way with the bourgeoisie). The breakDown of the SovietSystem and the heyDays of angloSaxon privateCapitalism in the 1980&1990ies resulted, that the nat.soc. governments took over the economical liberalism of their old enemies, but this has been apparently only a transitional phase and Nat.Soc. has reemerged in new clothes & countries. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 24, 2023 19:34:02 GMT
The Peronist candidate has dropped out of the second round of the BA mayoral election, "the full Menem". This effectively hands victory to Jorge Macri, cousin of Mauricio. Worth noting that Macri was on 49.61 per cent so nearly won it on the first round.
Elsewhere there is at least one report that Massa's election giveaway is equivalent to 1.3 per cent of GDP. Since the start of September.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 24, 2023 21:50:17 GMT
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