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Post by observer on Dec 29, 2023 18:40:31 GMT
Astounding that Pedro Sanchez, Spain's uberwoke PM, boycotted Milei's induction ceremony.
Presumably the clown would have preferred the election of the fascist Peronist party.
It's very revealing as to the nature of wokery.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Dec 29, 2023 19:01:35 GMT
Astounding that Pedro Sanchez, Spain's uberwoke PM, boycotted Milei's induction ceremony. Presumably the clown would have preferred the election of the fascist Peronist party. It's very revealing as to the nature of wokery. I'm not sure he boycotted it-Felipe and the FM went but that's tradition. Nonetheless, he wasn't exactly subtle about his preference in the election. And it's inconceivable that he had no idea that Alberto Fernandez was moving to Spain the minute he left office. |
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Post by Merseymike on Dec 29, 2023 19:04:49 GMT
Astounding that Pedro Sanchez, Spain's uberwoke PM, boycotted Milei's induction ceremony. Presumably the clown would have preferred the election of the fascist Peronist party. It's very revealing as to the nature of wokery. I'm not sure he boycotted it-Felipe and the FM went but that's tradition. Nonetheless, he wasn't exactly subtle about his preference in the election. And it's inconceivable that he had no idea that Alberto Fernandez was moving to Spain the minute he left office. Milei is even worse! Notable that Vox is supportive. Right.... |
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Post by observer on Dec 29, 2023 19:26:24 GMT
I'm not sure he boycotted it-Felipe and the FM went but that's tradition. Nonetheless, he wasn't exactly subtle about his preference in the election. And it's inconceivable that he had no idea that Alberto Fernandez was moving to Spain the minute he left office. Milei is even worse! Notable that Vox is supportive. Right.... Yes, Vox is the most liberal, small state etc of all the Spanish parties. Sanchez's preference for a fascist party is very revealing as to the confusion on the woke so-called Left |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Dec 29, 2023 20:17:26 GMT
I'm not sure he boycotted it-Felipe and the FM went but that's tradition. Nonetheless, he wasn't exactly subtle about his preference in the election. And it's inconceivable that he had no idea that Alberto Fernandez was moving to Spain the minute he left office. Milei is even worse! Notable that Vox is supportive. Right.... I'm struggling to see how Milei so far can be worse than spending dollars to pay Malta to print pesos, essentially ban the import of crucial medical equipment, and abolishing income tax and replacing it with more Maltese pesos. The status quo could not continue. And Massa's idea of ramping up the subsidies, abolishing tax and rewarding tax avoidance could not be a future either. If the Peronists could have been persuaded that targeted welfare rather than subsidies, actually collecting tax rather than just enforcing it for unfavoured groups, not appointing relatives to jobs they're not qualified for, and not indulging in state capture were options - Milei would barely have a telly career, let alone be president. |
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Post by uthacalthing on Dec 29, 2023 20:32:32 GMT
has he rounded up his political opponents and put them on a show trial yet?
(just kidding)
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Post by Antiochian on Dec 30, 2023 9:55:21 GMT
Astounding that Pedro Sanchez, Spain's uberwoke PM, boycotted Milei's induction ceremony. Presumably the clown would have preferred the election of the fascist Peronist party. It's very revealing as to the nature of wokery. The King was there..... |
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Post by Antiochian on Dec 30, 2023 9:56:48 GMT
Astounding that Pedro Sanchez, Spain's uberwoke PM, boycotted Milei's induction ceremony. Presumably the clown would have preferred the election of the fascist Peronist party. It's very revealing as to the nature of wokery. The King was there..... As interestingly was the President of Armenia... a new axis opening up there.. as Milei has long been a protégé of Argentina's wealthest man, Eduardo Eurnekian |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Dec 30, 2023 10:28:47 GMT
The BBC have changed the language now. Milei is a now a "populist right-winger", and Massa is "left-leaning". Closer, probably still inaccurate in both cases.
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Post by The Bishop on Dec 30, 2023 12:37:15 GMT
Yes, Vox is the most liberal, small state etc of all the Spanish parties Indeed, that is exactly what comes to mind for most of us when considering the unabashed Franco nostalgists Vox  |
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Post by uthacalthing on Dec 30, 2023 12:42:45 GMT
Franco championed a small state. But a remarkably brutal one.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Dec 30, 2023 12:52:09 GMT
Franco championed a small state. But a remarkably brutal one. Well, he started out aiming for autarky and importing a load of old Nazis and collaborators to advise him. And exiled or sacked a load of people he didn't like. A shot a fair few. Then he eventually got persuaded that the consistently failing economy might be connected to these facts. So he gave up the failed economic policies, employed fewer Nazis, and shot fewer people. Unfortunately Peron decided that the original ideas were good ideas worth continuing. |
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Post by maxque on Dec 30, 2023 17:29:24 GMT
has he rounded up his political opponents and put them on a show trial yet? (just kidding) He just proposed a law to ban public gathering of 3 persons or more and has announced the benefits of any protestor will be cancelled. But, of course, you don't care, as market rights are more important to you than human rights. |
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Post by observer on Dec 30, 2023 19:23:20 GMT
Yes, Vox is the most liberal, small state etc of all the Spanish parties Indeed, that is exactly what comes to mind for most of us when considering the unabashed Franco nostalgists Vox But how can you be liberal, small state and non-collectivist and be a Franco supporter/nostalgist? No, Vox are the opposite despite the attempts of the woke, so-called Left to claim otherwise. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Dec 30, 2023 19:27:48 GMT
Franco championed a small state. But a remarkably brutal one. Well, in some way the Spaniards have been the exact opPosite to You AngloSaxons: Impulsive, passionate, blood-thirsty and as a result for centuries oscillating between anArchism and abSolutism. So on the one hand arbitrary chicanes (e.g. Basque forbidden in rebellious Vasconia, but not in loyal Navarre); on the other hand widely ignored. Like: An acquaintance was once invited to a dinner with Franco's scienceMinister, where a prof. suddenly shouted loudly "Franco is a pig, which must be killed!" and the minister just responded: "Jose, i haven't heard that!" Of course: Not, what Miss Woke will have in mind... |
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Post by observer on Dec 30, 2023 20:01:00 GMT
Franco championed a small state. But a remarkably brutal one. Well, in some way the Spaniards have been the exact opPosite to You AngloSaxons: Impulsive, passionate, blood-thirsty and as a result for centuries oscillating between anArchism and abSolutism. So on the one hand arbitrary chicanes (e.g. Basque forbidden in rebellious Vasconia, but not in loyal Navarre); on the other hand widely ignored. Like: An acquaintance was once invited to a dinner with Franco's scienceMinister, where a prof. suddenly shouted loudly "Franco is a pig, which must be killed!" and the minister just responded: "Jose, i haven't heard that!" Of course: Not, what Miss Woke will have in mind... You can be sure the illiberal Miss Woke would have been launching a campaign to get the 'offender' sacked/jailed/garotted before the day was over |
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Post by WJ on Dec 30, 2023 20:55:14 GMT
Indeed, that is exactly what comes to mind for most of us when considering the unabashed Franco nostalgists Vox But how can you be liberal, small state and non-collectivist and be a Franco supporter/nostalgist? No, Vox are the opposite despite the attempts of the woke, so-called Left to claim otherwise. While risking derailing the Argentina thread... Calling Vox a Liberal party just goes to show that the word "liberal" has lost all meaning. They're liberal in the same way that Viktor Orbán is a liberal. They have some neoliberal policies, but literally nothing else about them is liberal. Otherwise they're hardline social conservatives with an authoritarian streak that have a deep mistrust of the decentralised Spanish state, which is where their small-statism views are shaped. The party you seem to be describing better fits the now moribund Ciudadanos. |
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Post by observer on Dec 30, 2023 21:00:34 GMT
But how can you be liberal, small state and non-collectivist and be a Franco supporter/nostalgist? No, Vox are the opposite despite the attempts of the woke, so-called Left to claim otherwise. While risking derailing the Argentina thread... Calling Vox a Liberal party just goes to show that the word "liberal" has lost all meaning. They're liberal in the same way that Viktor Orbán is a liberal. They have some neoliberal policies, but literally nothing else about them is liberal. Otherwise they're hardline social conservatives with an authoritarian streak that have a deep mistrust of the decentralised Spanish state, which is where their small-statism views are shaped. The party you seem to be describing better fits the now moribund Ciudadanos. The Ciudadanos were 'centrist', not liberal. Not the same thing at all. I'm not aware that Vox want to silence other points of view. Or that they don't support the constitution. Or the rule of law. Or equality before the law. Or that they want to impose speech codes. They are liberal...that they hold conservative social views is irrelevant |
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Post by WJ on Dec 30, 2023 21:37:23 GMT
While risking derailing the Argentina thread... Calling Vox a Liberal party just goes to show that the word "liberal" has lost all meaning. They're liberal in the same way that Viktor Orbán is a liberal. They have some neoliberal policies, but literally nothing else about them is liberal. Otherwise they're hardline social conservatives with an authoritarian streak that have a deep mistrust of the decentralised Spanish state, which is where their small-statism views are shaped. The party you seem to be describing better fits the now moribund Ciudadanos. The Ciudadanos were 'centrist', not liberal. Not the same thing at all. I'm not aware that Vox want to silence other points of view. Or that they don't support the constitution. Or the rule of law. Or equality before the law. Or that they want to impose speech codes. They are liberal...that they hold conservative social views is irrelevant Again, that just goes back to my previous point that "liberal" has lost all meaning. By that measure basically every political party in Europe is liberal. One of Vox's core policies is to make a swathe of regionalist and nationalist political parties illegal in Spain, which is hardly liberal. Banning mainstream political parties such as ERC, would I think we would all agree, be a form of silencing of views; even if we dont all agree with the policies of regionalists. www.lavanguardia.com/politica/20180603/444048797659/vox-ilegalizar-partidos-independentistas-barcelona.htmlAnd incidentally, Ciudadanos absolutely are/were a liberal party. Both socially and economically. By both your own definition of liberalism and more narrow definitions. |
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Post by observer on Dec 30, 2023 21:43:59 GMT
The Ciudadanos were 'centrist', not liberal. Not the same thing at all. I'm not aware that Vox want to silence other points of view. Or that they don't support the constitution. Or the rule of law. Or equality before the law. Or that they want to impose speech codes. They are liberal...that they hold conservative social views is irrelevant Again, that just goes back to my previous point that "liberal" has lost all meaning. By that measure basically every political party in Europe is liberal. One of Vox's core policies is to make a swathe of regionalist and nationalist political parties illegal in Spain, which is hardly liberal. Banning mainstream political parties such as ERC, would I think we would all agree, be a form of silencing of views; even if we dont all agree with the policies of regionalists. www.lavanguardia.com/politica/20180603/444048797659/vox-ilegalizar-partidos-independentistas-barcelona.htmlAnd incidentally, Ciudadanos absolutely are/were a liberal party. Both socially and economically. By both your own definition of liberalism and more narrow definitions. Liberal has not lost any meaning whatsoever. It still means the same it always did. What has happened is that, for opportunistic reasons, some 'liberals' have become 'centrists'. It doesn't mean there is no meaning to 'liberal' which is very clearly defined. It does NOT mean just trying to appear nice or splitting the difference between the larger parties in the hope of gaining votes from any disaffected voters the larger parties may have. It is a very common misconception. The Ciudadanos were of the fake 'centrist' persuasion |
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