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Post by greatkingrat on May 4, 2021 16:20:33 GMT
I'm not sure what new evidence the police think is going to magically appear, it is already six months since the election so they should just make a decision to charge or not rather than dragging it out.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on May 4, 2021 17:09:32 GMT
Cheshire Police showing their incompetence yet again then. Ever heard the story of the HQ in Chester that their predecessors built? Quite silly. If I did I've forgotten it so please tell us. They had that awful monstrosity built in the centre of Chester, and just let the architects get on with it. They didn't check in on the work at all. Then when it was ready to be opened, the architects and builders took the chief constable round for a visit. He was particularly pleased by the basement shooting range and squash courts. But then all hell broke loose when he asked the cells were going, as it was going to be a working police station as well. They'd all forgotten of course that you might need cells in a police station, and the squash courts and shooting range had to go. And then of course they sold up and moved to Winsford.
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Post by neilm on May 4, 2021 20:52:04 GMT
Have seen that but it’s very biased and seems out of touch with precedent; the Nuttall case would seem to suggest there’s a very high bar for proving someone isn’t living where they claim to be on their nomination form. It would be a massive thing, particularly in a snap election, to enforce. I’ve only ever met one Lib Dem candidate for Stoke South since I first volunteered in 1987, and from reports in The Sentinel Jo Gideon’s debut in Stoke Central in 2019 was at the count, and she only moved to the constituency this year. In either 2015 or 2017, I made reference on here to the Lib Dem candidate in one of the Milton Keynes seats listing a serviced apartment as their residence. I knew, unequivocally, that it was a serviced apartment. I didn't report it to Thames Valley Police because I suspected I was the only person who cared.
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Post by Tony Otim on May 5, 2021 8:03:10 GMT
I'm not sure what new evidence the police think is going to magically appear, it is already six months since the election so they should just make a decision to charge or not rather than dragging it out. How many months since the election? I think you may have blocked out a year, which lets face it, is entirely understandable.
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Post by The Bishop on May 5, 2021 11:13:07 GMT
Well tbf many of the elections we are having now were meant to happen a year ago....
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Post by greenhert on May 5, 2021 16:21:08 GMT
I'm not sure what new evidence the police think is going to magically appear, it is already six months since the election so they should just make a decision to charge or not rather than dragging it out. How many months since the election? I think you may have blocked out a year, which lets face it, is entirely understandable. 17 months in fact. The point is, the statute of limitations has expired so no further action can be taken here.
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Post by Merseymike on May 6, 2021 23:06:05 GMT
I think it's daft anyway. Parochial nonsense.
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Post by hullenedge on May 9, 2021 11:46:26 GMT
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Post by The Bishop on May 9, 2021 12:04:48 GMT
A lot of LibDem and Green votes for Labour to target, though. Tories, not so much.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on May 9, 2021 12:08:29 GMT
A lot of LibDem and Green votes for Labour to target, though. Tories, not so much. I wouldn't assume most of those Lib Dem voters in Cleckheaton are necessarily more pro-Labour than Tory. Also there's that Heavy Woolens vote which is decidedly on the right
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Post by Merseymike on May 9, 2021 12:13:43 GMT
A lot of LibDem and Green votes for Labour to target, though. Tories, not so much. I wouldn't assume most of those Lib Dem voters in Cleckheaton are necessarily more pro-Labour than Tory. Also there's that Heavy Woolens vote which is decidedly on the right The LibDem vote in Cleckheaton is very enduring to the extent that it's hard to tell where it goes nationally - but given the marginal status of the seat and the negligible presence of the LibDems in the rest of the seat, a fair few probably stick with the LibDems and the rest divide half and half. I do wonder what will happen to the LibDems in Cleckheaton when the Pinnocks finally call it a day, though. Kath (Baroness) Pinnock is a definite social liberal. The Heavy Woollen vote is stronger in Dewsbury, and will tend to take from the Tories rather than Labour. Working class Toryism is hardly anything new in the old textile towns.
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Post by Merseymike on May 9, 2021 12:15:09 GMT
If it was that close I think the chances of Labour picking a local Asian candidate are high, as that is a vote which can be relied on and mobilised in large numbers.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on May 9, 2021 12:22:48 GMT
If it was that close I think the chances of Labour picking a local Asian candidate are high, as that is a vote which can be relied on and mobilised in large numbers. Those votes can be relied on anyway. Some of the votes in Heckmondwicke maybe not so much?
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Post by Merseymike on May 9, 2021 12:28:20 GMT
If it was that close I think the chances of Labour picking a local Asian candidate are high, as that is a vote which can be relied on and mobilised in large numbers. Those votes can be relied on anyway. Some of the votes in Heckmondwicke maybe not so much? It's been a while since I lived near there but Heckmondwike is actually better for Labour now than it once was. The Liversedge ward is the one which has swung to the Tories. If it's that close, which is likely, then on a by election turnout it will be about getting known voters out. Not trying to persuade waverers in the Spen Valley to vote Labour.
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Post by evergreenadam on May 9, 2021 14:40:27 GMT
I wouldn't assume most of those Lib Dem voters in Cleckheaton are necessarily more pro-Labour than Tory. Also there's that Heavy Woolens vote which is decidedly on the right The LibDem vote in Cleckheaton is very enduring to the extent that it's hard to tell where it goes nationally - but given the marginal status of the seat and the negligible presence of the LibDems in the rest of the seat, a fair few probably stick with the LibDems and the rest divide half and half. I do wonder what will happen to the LibDems in Cleckheaton when the Pinnocks finally call it a day, though. Kath (Baroness) Pinnock is a definite social liberal. The Heavy Woollen vote is stronger in Dewsbury, and will tend to take from the Tories rather than Labour. Working class Toryism is hardly anything new in the old textile towns. For the benefit of confused southerners, the Heavy Wollen District Independents are a political party. Yes, really. Not sure how many seats they have currently.
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Post by andrew111 on May 9, 2021 15:58:28 GMT
I wouldn't assume most of those Lib Dem voters in Cleckheaton are necessarily more pro-Labour than Tory. Also there's that Heavy Woolens vote which is decidedly on the right The LibDem vote in Cleckheaton is very enduring to the extent that it's hard to tell where it goes nationally - but given the marginal status of the seat and the negligible presence of the LibDems in the rest of the seat, a fair few probably stick with the LibDems and the rest divide half and half. I do wonder what will happen to the LibDems in Cleckheaton when the Pinnocks finally call it a day, though. Kath (Baroness) Pinnock is a definite social liberal. The Heavy Woollen vote is stronger in Dewsbury, and will tend to take from the Tories rather than Labour. Working class Toryism is hardly anything new in the old textile towns. The current leader of the Lib Dem group on Kirklees is John Lawson, who is also very well established in Cleckheaton. No sign of the Pinnocks giving up at the moment, but provided credible local candidates can be found, it should stay Lib Dem at local level
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Post by andrew111 on May 9, 2021 16:06:17 GMT
If it was that close I think the chances of Labour picking a local Asian candidate are high, as that is a vote which can be relied on and mobilised in large numbers. Batley and Spen is only about 10% Asian and most of the voters are White working class/suburban. The Asian vote is also split between Pakistani and Indian, which can make it hard to unite behind a candidate of either heritage. Nationalists and right wing Parties have often done well here. If Labour can find another Jo Cox (White and local) that will be their best chance.
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Post by andrew111 on May 9, 2021 16:17:51 GMT
The LibDem vote in Cleckheaton is very enduring to the extent that it's hard to tell where it goes nationally - but given the marginal status of the seat and the negligible presence of the LibDems in the rest of the seat, a fair few probably stick with the LibDems and the rest divide half and half. I do wonder what will happen to the LibDems in Cleckheaton when the Pinnocks finally call it a day, though. Kath (Baroness) Pinnock is a definite social liberal. The Heavy Woollen vote is stronger in Dewsbury, and will tend to take from the Tories rather than Labour. Working class Toryism is hardly anything new in the old textile towns. For the benefit of confused southerners, the Heavy Wollen District Independents are a political party. Yes, really. Not sure how many seats they have currently. Think of the Heavy Woollen Independents as a more racist version of UKIP. Their big campaign was on animal welfare (banning halal meat production). They took a seat off Labour in the 2019 locals and the Kirklees Tories raised a huge cheer. Did not make another gain last week, but got 12.9% in the GE, with another 3% for BXP. Lib Dems lost their deposit and the Greens came last with 1%. It is about as "unprogressive" a seat as you can imagine. I would say it is odds on for the Tories after Hartlepool.
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Post by gwynthegriff on May 9, 2021 16:18:09 GMT
The LibDem vote in Cleckheaton is very enduring to the extent that it's hard to tell where it goes nationally - but given the marginal status of the seat and the negligible presence of the LibDems in the rest of the seat, a fair few probably stick with the LibDems and the rest divide half and half. I do wonder what will happen to the LibDems in Cleckheaton when the Pinnocks finally call it a day, though. Kath (Baroness) Pinnock is a definite social liberal. The Heavy Woollen vote is stronger in Dewsbury, and will tend to take from the Tories rather than Labour. Working class Toryism is hardly anything new in the old textile towns. For the benefit of confused southerners, the Heavy Wollen District Independents are a political party. Yes, really. Not sure how many seats they have currently. Is this the appropriate stage at which to point out that there was once a Yorkshire Woollen bus company ?
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Post by Merseymike on May 9, 2021 16:47:51 GMT
If it was that close I think the chances of Labour picking a local Asian candidate are high, as that is a vote which can be relied on and mobilised in large numbers. Batley and Spen is only about 10% Asian and most of the voters are White working class/suburban. The Asian vote is also split between Pakistani and Indian, which can make it hard to unite behind a candidate of either heritage. Nationalists and right wing Parties have often done well here. If Labour can find another Jo Cox (White and local) that will be their best chance. 20% at the last census, guaranteed to have increased. Locally that split has not been apparent in voting preferences and they are all Muslim. The Labour councillors in Heckmondwike including the former leader have always been left wing. Mike Wood, the former MP lived in the Spen Valley and represented a Spen ward when a councillor. The Labour vote is quite resilient. At a by election where the parties start at 50-50 it really will be about motivating your core to get out and vote.
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