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Post by timmullen1 on Oct 15, 2021 13:14:24 GMT
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Post by The Bishop on Oct 15, 2021 14:11:21 GMT
I suppose this can be transferred to the byelections section now  |
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Post by markgoodair on Oct 15, 2021 14:22:29 GMT
After the murder of Sir David Amess there will unfortunately have to be a by-election.
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Post by Strontium Dog on Oct 15, 2021 14:22:56 GMT
I would hope and expect that the upcoming by-election will not be contested by opposition parties.
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Post by timmullen1 on Oct 15, 2021 14:24:00 GMT
I suppose this can be transferred to the byelections section now Presumably will, like Batley and Spen post-Jo Cox, be uncontested by Labour and the LDs. |
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Post by Richard Allen on Oct 15, 2021 14:24:41 GMT
FFS, I am hardly what you would call easily offended but I think by election discussions can wait for at least a day.
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Post by stb12 on Oct 15, 2021 14:27:23 GMT
I would hope and expect that the upcoming by-election will not be contested by opposition parties. I know it wasn’t in Jo Cox’s case but a couple of by-elections where Tory MPs got killed by the IRA were fully contested. I don’t know the context then of course or how controversial it was or not. |
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Post by iain on Oct 15, 2021 14:28:26 GMT
I would hope and expect that the upcoming by-election will not be contested by opposition parties. It's probably not the time for this sort of chat, but I really don't see why. It may be that Theresa May's decision after the death of Jo Cox has started a new 'tradition', but before that it was never the case that parties would stand down in any by-election, whatever the cause. |
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Post by seanryanj on Oct 15, 2021 14:28:55 GMT
I said it b4 this is completely sick!!
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Oct 15, 2021 14:34:11 GMT
It'll be interesting to see if the other major parties follow the 2016 precedent of not standing where the vacancy was caused by the murder of the previous member.
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Post by rcronald on Oct 15, 2021 14:36:40 GMT
I would hope and expect that the upcoming by-election will not be contested by opposition parties. It's probably not the time for this sort of chat, but I really don't see why. It may be that Theresa May's decision after the death of Jo Cox has started a new 'tradition', but before that it was never the case that parties would stand down in any by-election, whatever the cause. You greedy basterds want another Ian Gow? Edit: Apologies for the overreaction, I’m a bit emotional at the moment. |
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Post by timmullen1 on Oct 15, 2021 14:38:16 GMT
I would hope and expect that the upcoming by-election will not be contested by opposition parties. I know it wasn’t in Jo Cox’s case but a couple of by-elections where Tory MPs got killed by the IRA were fully contested. I don’t know the context then of course or how controversial it was or not. I vaguely remember the by-elections after the Brighton bombing and I think the attitude was “democracy goes on as normal or the terrorists win”. Indeed Eastbourne changed hands after the murder of Ian Gow. I would guess there is a different attitude towards an organised paramilitary force and a lone individual who, in the case of Jo Cox, had serious mental health issues. |
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Post by Strontium Dog on Oct 15, 2021 14:41:19 GMT
I would hope and expect that the upcoming by-election will not be contested by opposition parties. I know it wasn’t in Jo Cox’s case but a couple of by-elections where Tory MPs got killed by the IRA were fully contested. I don’t know the context then of course or how controversial it was or not. I would hope and expect that the upcoming by-election will not be contested by opposition parties. It's probably not the time for this sort of chat, but I really don't see why. It may be that Theresa May's decision after the death of Jo Cox has started a new 'tradition', but before that it was never the case that parties would stand down in any by-election, whatever the cause. I know we copped a bit of flak in 1990 for winning Eastbourne after Ian Gow was blown up, but since then I think a consensus has formed that parties should stand aside where a sitting MP has been murdered. It just seems like the decent thing to do. |
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Post by iainbhx on Oct 15, 2021 14:44:06 GMT
It'll be interesting to see if the other major parties follow the 2016 precedent of not standing where the vacancy was caused by the murder of the previous member. They should in my opinion. |
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Post by The Bishop on Oct 15, 2021 14:44:31 GMT
Though tbh the usual previous rationale (not acted on in Gow's case, even if it was with Cox) related to MP deaths caused by "terrorism".
That is very possibly the case here, but could yet be a random nutter (as it was with the attempted murder of Nigel Jones and the killing of his aide)
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Post by J.G.Harston on Oct 15, 2021 14:44:32 GMT
I would hope and expect that the upcoming by-election will not be contested by opposition parties. I know it wasn’t in Jo Cox’s case but a couple of by-elections where Tory MPs got killed by the IRA were fully contested. I don’t know the context then of course or how controversial it was or not.
In those cases, the IRA's platform was to try and disrupt political life in Britain, the correct response was to refuse to have the normal political processes disrupted.
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Post by redvers on Oct 15, 2021 14:53:08 GMT
FFS, I am hardly what you would call easily offended but I think by election discussions can wait for at least a day. This. And in anycase, I'll bet a million bucks that the other major parties will follow the Jo Cox precedent and not stand. |
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Post by The Bishop on Oct 15, 2021 14:53:30 GMT
Presumably this thread can in due course be merged with the one in the "main" section with the same title discussing the same thing?
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Oct 15, 2021 14:56:24 GMT
I would hope and expect that the upcoming by-election will not be contested by opposition parties. It's probably not the time for this sort of chat, but I really don't see why. It may be that Theresa May's decision after the death of Jo Cox has started a new 'tradition', but before that it was never the case that parties would stand down in any by-election, whatever the cause. Well yes before that it was and I thoguht the decision by the Conservatives and others not to contest Batley & Spwn was wrong. But having set that precedent, it would be hard for your party in particular to argue that the circumstances in this case are so materially different to those in Batley & Spen that you should stand in this one when you didn't in that (Labour's position is different because they neither asked other parties to stand down then nor (obviously) did so themselves) |
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Post by stb12 on Oct 15, 2021 15:14:20 GMT
I’m not sure of the merits myself but certainly if anyone on the left argues against standing aside it would make accusations that Jo Cox was simply considered more worthy than Amess pretty easy.
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