J.G.Harston
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Post by J.G.Harston on Nov 5, 2021 22:52:25 GMT
And even if you manage to gain entry, some blocks can feel pretty off putting, if not frightening, to wander around. I found myself on the top floor of one block in Bristol a few years back where most of the tenants may well have been involved in drug dealing and were definitely not happy to have anyone knocking on their doors, or delivering leaflets to them! 1970s: "Look at our wonderful new Hulme Crescents" 1980s: "Oh. They're already leaking, falling apart, and full of cockroaches. Now they're a haven for drug dealing and general criminal behaviour." 1990s: "We've demolished the Crescents!" 2000s: "Look at our new luxurious modern city-lifestyle apartments" 2010s: "Look at our bargain wardrobe-size one-bed buy-to-let-owned apartments" 2020s: "Oh. They're covered in highly flammable materials and the leaseholders are being bankrupted. Now they're becoming hot-spots for drug dealing and general criminal behaviour." 2030s: .... I was watching a TV programme about Park Hill/Hyde Park in Sheffield the other day (some architecture thing, can't remember the name), and they showed a bit of historical footage where the narrator explains: ...the council demolished hundreds of slums... and in unison we cried out: ...and rebuilt them vertically! |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Nov 5, 2021 22:55:34 GMT
Sheffield has a ski slope that managed to be burned down four times. It must have got to the point where they had found a way to make concrete rubble catch fire. |
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Post by owainsutton on Nov 6, 2021 8:48:55 GMT
I thought you were taking Marquand with you. On 28th April 1977, by-elections took place in Great Grimsby, following the death of Tony Crosland, then the Foreign Secretary aged 58, following a massive stroke he had whilst working on his papers on Sunday 13th February, and in Ashfield, where David Marquand resigned to take up a role advising Roy Jenkins, who'd been appointed as a European Commissioner. Ashfield had a Labour majority of 22,915 but was lost, with the Conservative, Tim Smith, getting a majority of 264, on a swing of 20.8%. Great Grimsby, with Crosland's majority of 6,982, was retained by Austin Mitchell, with a majority of 520. The swing against Labour was much lower, at 7.03%. I suspect that the relative causes of the by-elections had much to do with these results, Crosland died in Office, working on Government business, whilst Marquand ( in the view of many ) was deserting dull, dreary old England for a cushy post in Brussels. For younger readers, the No.1 Roy Jenkins joke needs explaining. Jenkins, who had difficulties pronouncing his " r's ", made a speech declaring that, " I leave British Politics without any rancour ", to which a wag was said to have shouted, " I thought you were taking Marquand with you ! " ..... apocryphal I suspect !  The turnout in Great Grimsby was almost identical to the previous general election, whereas in Ashfield it dropped by 10,000. So although the headline swing was huge, what really lost it for Labour was lots of their voters from last time staying at home. Quite possibly for the reason you suggest. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Nov 6, 2021 9:10:58 GMT
I certainly know of areas where coming from a nearby major town is a worse sin than coming from London or the major provincial city Burnley and Blackburn would be one, I suspect ! Wigan and St Helens, Warrington and Widnes, Runcorn and Widnes, Blackpool and Preston... |
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Post by hullenedge on Nov 6, 2021 10:14:21 GMT
On 28th April 1977, by-elections took place in Great Grimsby, following the death of Tony Crosland, then the Foreign Secretary aged 58, following a massive stroke he had whilst working on his papers on Sunday 13th February, and in Ashfield, where David Marquand resigned to take up a role advising Roy Jenkins, who'd been appointed as a European Commissioner. Ashfield had a Labour majority of 22,915 but was lost, with the Conservative, Tim Smith, getting a majority of 264, on a swing of 20.8%. Great Grimsby, with Crosland's majority of 6,982, was retained by Austin Mitchell, with a majority of 520. The swing against Labour was much lower, at 7.03%. I suspect that the relative causes of the by-elections had much to do with these results, Crosland died in Office, working on Government business, whilst Marquand ( in the view of many ) was deserting dull, dreary old England for a cushy post in Brussels. For younger readers, the No.1 Roy Jenkins joke needs explaining. Jenkins, who had difficulties pronouncing his " r's ", made a speech declaring that, " I leave British Politics without any rancour ", to which a wag was said to have shouted, " I thought you were taking Marquand with you ! " ..... apocryphal I suspect ! The turnout in Great Grimsby was almost identical to the previous general election, whereas in Ashfield it dropped by 10,000. So although the headline swing was huge, what really lost it for Labour was lots of their voters from last time staying at home. Quite possibly for the reason you suggest. Also Austin Mitchell was an excellent Labour candidate for Grimsby. (Just noticed that our 1977 candidate died in September. A few weeks after Austin. www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/news/grimsby-news/sadness-former-grimsby-birds-eye-5928539). |
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Post by evergreenadam on Nov 6, 2021 10:36:23 GMT
Looking at the census data and deprivation report, this looks like an area that's reasonably deprived by local standards but not necessarily by national standards which is exactly the sort of place where Labour really need to be winning local elections (if not necessarily general elections) I was sent an e-mail by Momentum on Wednesday asking for help in getting Leah elected. They were highlighting the fact her Tory opponent is Sir Peter Bottomley's son. Interesting to have a socialist elected in Rutland. These socialists, never letting you forget who your parents are! |
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Post by andrew111 on Nov 6, 2021 11:16:09 GMT
I was sent an e-mail by Momentum on Wednesday asking for help in getting Leah elected. They were highlighting the fact her Tory opponent is Sir Peter Bottomley's son. Interesting to have a socialist elected in Rutland. These socialists, never letting you forget who your parents are! Quite, and you wouldn't catch any socialist calling their son "Keir" |
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Post by iang on Nov 6, 2021 15:01:29 GMT
Burnley and Blackburn would be one, I suspect ! Wigan and St Helens, Warrington and Widnes, Runcorn and Widnes, Blackpool and Preston... Birmingham and the Black Country. Everywhere in the Black Country and everywhere else in the Black Country... |
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Post by middleenglander on Nov 6, 2021 16:55:01 GMT
I certainly know of areas where coming from a nearby major town is a worse sin than coming from London or the major provincial city Burnley and Blackburn would be one, I suspect ! Stocksbridge and the neighbouring community of Deepcar in North Sheffield. |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Nov 8, 2021 12:11:27 GMT
The turnout in Great Grimsby was almost identical to the previous general election, whereas in Ashfield it dropped by 10,000. So although the headline swing was huge, what really lost it for Labour was lots of their voters from last time staying at home. Quite possibly for the reason you suggest. Also Austin Mitchell was an excellent Labour candidate for Grimsby. (Just noticed that our 1977 candidate died in September. A few weeks after Austin. www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/news/grimsby-news/sadness-former-grimsby-birds-eye-5928539). He was an excellent candidate after he'd been elected. Initially there were a lot of concerns that picking a Yorkshireman without ties to the constituency would go down very badly with the electorate. |
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Post by andrew111 on Nov 8, 2021 14:39:19 GMT
He was an excellent candidate after he'd been elected. Initially there were a lot of concerns that picking a Yorkshireman without ties to the constituency would go down very badly with the electorate. He was an excellent presenter of Calendar, which covers Lincolnshire, so probably had better name and face recognition in the constituency than anyone in the Cabinet at the time.. |
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