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Post by timrollpickering on Sept 23, 2021 12:02:46 GMT
And Brighton and Hove Albion play in a village in Lewes District. I'm sure there are many more examples. *cough* Arsenal. However the habit of many to call areas by the name of a local tube station means the 1930s renaming has blunted that particular one. For many decades West Ham played in East Ham constituencies. They've moved since the last set of constituency and ward boundaries were drawn up but now they're in the Stratford & New Town ward and not West Ham (which has the station at one corner with the public entrance in Canning Town North). |
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Post by timmullen1 on Sept 23, 2021 13:25:34 GMT
Well, yes. A few examples on a micro level: Moseley rugby club plays in Billesley, not Moseley (though it's quite close). Kings Norton RFC plays in Hopwood (not quite so close). Bournville RFC plays in Edgbaston. Moseley cricket club plays in Olton. Birmingham and Solihull RFC's ground is in neither Birmingham nor Solihull. Manchester RFC play some way outside Manchester - in Cheadle Hulme. Examples like this are very numerous, and basing ward names on the locations of sports clubs and grounds would be a constant game of catch-up as clubs move around. Still can't fathom why Milton Keynes wasn't just renamed Wimbledon when the club moved there. Wouldn't that have been easier than renaming the club? IIRC a group of anti relocation supporters copyrighted the name Wimbledon Football Club and various incarnations, thereby preventing Sam Hammam using the Wimbledon name without their permission. |
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Post by andrewp on Sept 23, 2021 14:20:32 GMT
The Exe Valley by election is invoking happy and distant memories for me. I used to know places like Stoke Canon and Brampford Speke very well indeed in my distant youth. I remember particularly a glorious summer walk from Stoke Canon to Killerton and back (using the Stoke Canon station which I think closed in 1960, but this was probably the summer of 1959). That walk was just Eileen and me (most of our walks in that era would have been in larger groups) and just saying we are still together 62 years later. I'm not really expecting such happy outcomes from this by election. This little group of deeply rural villages and hamlets are normally Conservative and the only exception this century was in 2019 in a straight fight,so with an undivided anti-Tory opposition. Labour are emboldened to put up a candidate after their stunning success in Honiton earlier, but the Exe Valley villages are not exctly like urban Honiton.My fear though is that they will make enough noise to let the Tories back in. Yes I wonder how Labour will do here. As you say, probably the more votes they get then the more likely a Conservative gain is. On paper it could be seen as a deeply unpromising area for Labour, but this area is immediately north of Exeter and as has been discussed a few times of this board, Labour have done better than might be immediately expected in places near Exeter over recent years. They have performed a bit better than expected in a couple of other East Devon elections as well as the Honiton gain, and of course as has been noted they got 25% in the Central Devon constituency in 2019 which is higher than might be expected. One theory of why is public sector workers from Exeter living in surrounding countryside in places like this ward. |
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Post by ricmk on Sept 23, 2021 14:59:16 GMT
Well, yes. A few examples on a micro level: Moseley rugby club plays in Billesley, not Moseley (though it's quite close). Kings Norton RFC plays in Hopwood (not quite so close). Bournville RFC plays in Edgbaston. Moseley cricket club plays in Olton. Birmingham and Solihull RFC's ground is in neither Birmingham nor Solihull. Manchester RFC play some way outside Manchester - in Cheadle Hulme. Examples like this are very numerous, and basing ward names on the locations of sports clubs and grounds would be a constant game of catch-up as clubs move around. Still can't fathom why Milton Keynes wasn't just renamed Wimbledon when the club moved there. Wouldn't that have been easier than renaming the club? Would have solved another problem as well. MK was a series of villages when it was designated as a new town. One of them - Milton Keynes - gave its name to the whole new town. But that meant there were now 2 Milton Keyneses. So since 1967, we have Milton Keynes Village, the original (and charming) village which now forms part of the Middleton grid square. Until that was built up, the addresses became e.g. Ivy Cottage, Walton Road, Milton Keynes Village, Milton Keynes. So renaming the whole town as Wimbledon would allow us to restore Milton Keynes back to the original. Could we rename Campbell Park as Wimbledon Common - and get the Wombles back too? |
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Post by timrollpickering on Sept 23, 2021 15:27:42 GMT
Still can't fathom why Milton Keynes wasn't just renamed Wimbledon when the club moved there. Wouldn't that have been easier than renaming the club? IIRC a group of anti relocation supporters copyrighted the name Wimbledon Football Club and various incarnations, thereby preventing Sam Hammam using the Wimbledon name without their permission. You can't copyright a name. The trademark was registered in late 1999 and is now held by AFC Wimbledon but I don't know if that was a pre-emptive squatting or if it was later transferred over when MK Dons formally renounced Wimbledon's heritage as part of a settlement. |
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Post by finsobruce on Sept 23, 2021 15:31:47 GMT
Still can't fathom why Milton Keynes wasn't just renamed Wimbledon when the club moved there. Wouldn't that have been easier than renaming the club? Would have solved another problem as well. MK was a series of villages when it was designated as a new town. One of them - Milton Keynes - gave its name to the whole new town. But that meant there were now 2 Milton Keyneses. So since 1967, we have Milton Keynes Village, the original (and charming) village which now forms part of the Middleton grid square. Until that was built up, the addresses became e.g. Ivy Cottage, Walton Road, Milton Keynes Village, Milton Keynes. So renaming the whole town as Wimbledon would allow us to restore Milton Keynes back to the original. Could we rename Campbell Park as Wimbledon Common - and get the Wombles back too? "you can take our land, but you can never take our wombles !". |
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Post by Delighted Of Tunbridge Wells on Sept 23, 2021 15:34:28 GMT
And Brighton and Hove Albion play in a village in Lewes District. I'm sure there are many more examples. *cough* Arsenal. One Fulham based FC would be apoplectic if you renewed them Fulham number 2 😁. I love the idea of Oxford United being renamed Blackbird Leys United too. |
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Post by Khunanup on Sept 23, 2021 15:40:31 GMT
And Brighton and Hove Albion play in a village in Lewes District. I'm sure there are many more examples. No they don't. Part of the car park is in Lewes district, but the stadium itself is within the city boundary. Fratton Park isn't in Fratton, it's in Milton (though the area it's in used to be part of Fratton prior to the railway line being built). It is however just down the road from Fratton Station. The Royal Liverpool Golf Club is of course in Hoylake on the Wirral... |
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Post by froome on Sept 23, 2021 15:50:27 GMT
And the Test cricket ground is also there. Against that, Notts County actually play in the city itself. So why are they called County rather than something like Nottingham City? |
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Post by Chris from Brum on Sept 23, 2021 15:58:59 GMT
And the Test cricket ground is also there. Against that, Notts County actually play in the city itself. So why are they called County rather than something like Nottingham City? See also Derby County and Stockport County - there has never been a county called Stockportshire. |
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Post by finsobruce on Sept 23, 2021 16:03:42 GMT
And the Test cricket ground is also there. Against that, Notts County actually play in the city itself. So why are they called County rather than something like Nottingham City? Because Notts refers to the whole county rather than just the city. A bit like the old division between county and borough constituencies.
Apparently Nottingham Forest fans hate being called Notts Forest, as this refers to the county and therefore their local rivals.
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Post by minionofmidas on Sept 23, 2021 16:24:58 GMT
Still can't fathom why Milton Keynes wasn't just renamed Wimbledon when the club moved there. Wouldn't that have been easier than renaming the club? Of course, at one point the suggestion was that they moved to Dublin, which would have been not just another ward or council, but another country... not that the authorities would ever have allowed it. why not? It was alright when Chester or TNS did it. |
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Post by bigfatron on Sept 23, 2021 16:46:52 GMT
Famously Grimsby Town play in Cleethorpes....
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Post by andrew111 on Sept 23, 2021 16:59:03 GMT
So why are they called County rather than something like Nottingham City? Because Notts refers to the whole county rather than just the city. A bit like the old division between county and borough constituencies.
Apparently Nottingham Forest fans hate being called Notts Forest, as this refers to the county and therefore their local rivals.
Up in Sheffield we just call them "scabs"... |
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Post by owainsutton on Sept 23, 2021 17:06:47 GMT
So why are they called County rather than something like Nottingham City? See also Derby County and Stockport County - there has never been a county called Stockportshire. Named after the County Borough of Stockport. |
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Post by Tony Otim on Sept 23, 2021 17:28:03 GMT
IIRC a group of anti relocation supporters copyrighted the name Wimbledon Football Club and various incarnations, thereby preventing Sam Hammam using the Wimbledon name without their permission. You can't copyright a name. The trademark was registered in late 1999 and is now held by AFC Wimbledon but I don't know if that was a pre-emptive squatting or if it was later transferred over when MK Dons formally renounced Wimbledon's heritage as part of a settlement. In any event Hammam had sold on to the Norwegians in 97, so it was nowt to do with him if it wasn't till 99. He was behind the Dublin proposal, but was gone by the time MK was being suggested. |
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Post by iang on Sept 23, 2021 17:38:22 GMT
No previews this week?
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Post by John Chanin on Sept 23, 2021 17:43:20 GMT
A couple of times recently they haven’t come up until late on Thursday evening. |
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Post by Toylyyev on Sept 23, 2021 17:57:02 GMT
Still can't fathom why Milton Keynes wasn't just renamed Wimbledon when the club moved there. Wouldn't that have been easier than renaming the club? And then there's "Manchester" United... Mmhm. My best guess is that they were the B-side of Stockport County Ladies, which didn't stop a hidden inclination for other theories. They disappeared from the radar at the end of 2019-20. And insights gained from monitoring bluemoon in these days suggest that the red side is related to Moston. |
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Post by andrewteale on Sept 23, 2021 18:32:05 GMT
A couple of times recently they haven’t come up until late on Thursday evening. Britain Elects has the script, just waiting for them to press play. |
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