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Post by Toylyyev on Sept 22, 2021 21:00:52 GMT
Why specifically Frisian? Both these elements have got pan-Germanic cognates. Which i am happy to have learned now. It seems to me that the geographic distribution of place names according to memes also incorporates other factors like tribal organisation. Off the back of my head i can't think of a similiar name around here while there are plenty of distinctly Luxembourgish sounding names in the northern part of the Westerwald or the valley of the Sieg, and my informal geography wouldn't expect the place name to appear in Bavaria either. The impression could be called anecdotal in a psephological context, but was nonetheless stark. |
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Post by sirbenjamin on Sept 22, 2021 21:05:04 GMT
But it isn't very near Cuddington ward. It is near the boundary between LB Sutton (Cheam South ward, boundaries may have changed now) and Reigate and Banstead (Banstead Village) Ah, fair enough - it seems odd that the golf club isn't in the ward! Anyhow, this is not an area rife with poverty and destitution...
This is exactly the sort of Ward/seat naming idiosyncrasy that I have a problem with. Either Cuddington golf club should be in Cuddington ward OR the ward should be called something different OR the club renamed.
For years Hillsborough stadium wasn't in the Sheffield Hillsborough constituency. It's just stupid, and such nonsense should never be allowed to get past public consultation.
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Post by Toylyyev on Sept 22, 2021 21:34:01 GMT
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Post by finsobruce on Sept 22, 2021 21:40:40 GMT
In the early nineteenth century Worwood Scrubs was a favoured site for prize fights and war games.
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Post by yellowperil on Sept 22, 2021 21:40:58 GMT
My favourite use of holt to mean wood is the one in the opening lines of the Prologue to the Canterbury Tales, surely one of the best known lines in all of English Literature as well as one of the earliest.
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Post by ilerda on Sept 23, 2021 8:06:21 GMT
Ah, fair enough - it seems odd that the golf club isn't in the ward! Anyhow, this is not an area rife with poverty and destitution...
This is exactly the sort of Ward/seat naming idiosyncrasy that I have a problem with. Either Cuddington golf club should be in Cuddington ward OR the ward should be called something different OR the club renamed.
For years Hillsborough stadium wasn't in the Sheffield Hillsborough constituency. It's just stupid, and such nonsense should never be allowed to get past public consultation.
I disagree. The number of people this sort of inconsistency would have any measure of impact on could be counted on fewer than two hands, and names of local authority wards and names of sports venues have zero connection or relevance to each other whatsoever. It’s also worth recognising that life is not static, and that things move over time. A ward boundary might be moved to align with a major new road, or a golf club might move across town to bigger premises as the number of members grow. All of these things chip away at the false idea of consistency that things like maps and spreadsheets taunt us with, but in reality life is inconsistent. There is no practical or logical reason why a golf club or a constituency should have to change its name just because a few things that share that name don’t happen to match up perfectly. |
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Post by Chris from Brum on Sept 23, 2021 8:29:50 GMT
This is exactly the sort of Ward/seat naming idiosyncrasy that I have a problem with. Either Cuddington golf club should be in Cuddington ward OR the ward should be called something different OR the club renamed.
For years Hillsborough stadium wasn't in the Sheffield Hillsborough constituency. It's just stupid, and such nonsense should never be allowed to get past public consultation.
I disagree. The number of people this sort of inconsistency would have any measure of impact on could be counted on fewer than two hands, and names of local authority wards and names of sports venues have zero connection or relevance to each other whatsoever. It’s also worth recognising that life is not static, and that things move over time. A ward boundary might be moved to align with a major new road, or a golf club might move across town to bigger premises as the number of members grow. All of these things chip away at the false idea of consistency that things like maps and spreadsheets taunt us with, but in reality life is inconsistent. There is no practical or logical reason why a golf club or a constituency should have to change its name just because a few things that share that name don’t happen to match up perfectly. Well, yes. A few examples on a micro level: Moseley rugby club plays in Billesley, not Moseley (though it's quite close). Kings Norton RFC plays in Hopwood (not quite so close). Bournville RFC plays in Edgbaston. Moseley cricket club plays in Olton. Birmingham and Solihull RFC's ground is in neither Birmingham nor Solihull. Manchester RFC play some way outside Manchester - in Cheadle Hulme. Examples like this are very numerous, and basing ward names on the locations of sports clubs and grounds would be a constant game of catch-up as clubs move around. |
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Post by yellowperil on Sept 23, 2021 8:40:06 GMT
The Exe Valley by election is invoking happy and distant memories for me. I used to know places like Stoke Canon and Brampford Speke very well indeed in my distant youth. I remember particularly a glorious summer walk from Stoke Canon to Killerton and back (using the Stoke Canon station which I think closed in 1960, but this was probably the summer of 1959). That walk was just Eileen and me (most of our walks in that era would have been in larger groups) and just saying we are still together 62 years later.
I'm not really expecting such happy outcomes from this by election. This little group of deeply rural villages and hamlets are normally Conservative and the only exception this century was in 2019 in a straight fight,so with an undivided anti-Tory opposition. Labour are emboldened to put up a candidate after their stunning success in Honiton earlier, but the Exe Valley villages are not exctly like urban Honiton.My fear though is that they will make enough noise to let the Tories back in.
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Post by iang on Sept 23, 2021 8:47:18 GMT
I disagree. The number of people this sort of inconsistency would have any measure of impact on could be counted on fewer than two hands, and names of local authority wards and names of sports venues have zero connection or relevance to each other whatsoever. It’s also worth recognising that life is not static, and that things move over time. A ward boundary might be moved to align with a major new road, or a golf club might move across town to bigger premises as the number of members grow. All of these things chip away at the false idea of consistency that things like maps and spreadsheets taunt us with, but in reality life is inconsistent. There is no practical or logical reason why a golf club or a constituency should have to change its name just because a few things that share that name don’t happen to match up perfectly. Well, yes. A few examples on a micro level: Moseley rugby club plays in Billesley, not Moseley (though it's quite close). Kings Norton RFC plays in Hopwood (not quite so close). Bournville RFC plays in Edgbaston. Moseley cricket club plays in Olton. Birmingham and Solihull RFC's ground is in neither Birmingham nor Solihull. Manchester RFC play some way outside Manchester - in Cheadle Hulme. Examples like this are very numerous, and basing ward names on the locations of sports clubs and grounds would be a constant game of catch-up as clubs move around. And Five Ways Old Edwardians CC also play in Hopwood, opposite Kings Norton RUFC (there's a RL club that shares the ground), and nowhere near Five Ways school, which is in Bartley Green (and the contact the club has with the school is minimal) |
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Post by ilerda on Sept 23, 2021 8:57:00 GMT
I disagree. The number of people this sort of inconsistency would have any measure of impact on could be counted on fewer than two hands, and names of local authority wards and names of sports venues have zero connection or relevance to each other whatsoever. It’s also worth recognising that life is not static, and that things move over time. A ward boundary might be moved to align with a major new road, or a golf club might move across town to bigger premises as the number of members grow. All of these things chip away at the false idea of consistency that things like maps and spreadsheets taunt us with, but in reality life is inconsistent. There is no practical or logical reason why a golf club or a constituency should have to change its name just because a few things that share that name don’t happen to match up perfectly. Well, yes. A few examples on a micro level: Moseley rugby club plays in Billesley, not Moseley (though it's quite close). Kings Norton RFC plays in Hopwood (not quite so close). Bournville RFC plays in Edgbaston. Moseley cricket club plays in Olton. Birmingham and Solihull RFC's ground is in neither Birmingham nor Solihull. Manchester RFC play some way outside Manchester - in Cheadle Hulme. Examples like this are very numerous, and basing ward names on the locations of sports clubs and grounds would be a constant game of catch-up as clubs move around. And if we were to do it for sports clubs/grounds, would we also have to do it for things like schools, businesses, and railway stations? For example Bablake School in Coventry is in Sherbourne, not Bablake. Jaguar's Castle Bromwich factory is actually in Pype Hayes over the border in Birmingham. Rowley Regis railway station is in Blackheath ward. |
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Post by minionofmidas on Sept 23, 2021 9:42:08 GMT
I disagree. The number of people this sort of inconsistency would have any measure of impact on could be counted on fewer than two hands, and names of local authority wards and names of sports venues have zero connection or relevance to each other whatsoever. It’s also worth recognising that life is not static, and that things move over time. A ward boundary might be moved to align with a major new road, or a golf club might move across town to bigger premises as the number of members grow. All of these things chip away at the false idea of consistency that things like maps and spreadsheets taunt us with, but in reality life is inconsistent. There is no practical or logical reason why a golf club or a constituency should have to change its name just because a few things that share that name don’t happen to match up perfectly. Well, yes. A few examples on a micro level: Moseley rugby club plays in Billesley, not Moseley (though it's quite close). Kings Norton RFC plays in Hopwood (not quite so close). Bournville RFC plays in Edgbaston. Moseley cricket club plays in Olton. Birmingham and Solihull RFC's ground is in neither Birmingham nor Solihull. Manchester RFC play some way outside Manchester - in Cheadle Hulme. Examples like this are very numerous, and basing ward names on the locations of sports clubs and grounds would be a constant game of catch-up as clubs move around. Still can't fathom why Milton Keynes wasn't just renamed Wimbledon when the club moved there. Wouldn't that have been easier than renaming the club? |
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Post by Chris from Brum on Sept 23, 2021 10:10:46 GMT
Well, yes. A few examples on a micro level: Moseley rugby club plays in Billesley, not Moseley (though it's quite close). Kings Norton RFC plays in Hopwood (not quite so close). Bournville RFC plays in Edgbaston. Moseley cricket club plays in Olton. Birmingham and Solihull RFC's ground is in neither Birmingham nor Solihull. Manchester RFC play some way outside Manchester - in Cheadle Hulme. Examples like this are very numerous, and basing ward names on the locations of sports clubs and grounds would be a constant game of catch-up as clubs move around. And Five Ways Old Edwardians CC also play in Hopwood, opposite Kings Norton RUFC (there's a RL club that shares the ground), and nowhere near Five Ways school, which is in Bartley Green (and the contact the club has with the school is minimal) Well, Camp Hill (Old Eds) RFC play in Shirley, not near Camp Hill school, which is in any case in Kings Heath; don't these things get complicated? And Bartley Green is many a mile from Five Ways ... at least King Edward's Aston school is still in Aston, though Aston Old Eds RFC play up in Perry Common.
But we digress ...
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Post by Tony Otim on Sept 23, 2021 10:46:14 GMT
Well, yes. A few examples on a micro level: Moseley rugby club plays in Billesley, not Moseley (though it's quite close). Kings Norton RFC plays in Hopwood (not quite so close). Bournville RFC plays in Edgbaston. Moseley cricket club plays in Olton. Birmingham and Solihull RFC's ground is in neither Birmingham nor Solihull. Manchester RFC play some way outside Manchester - in Cheadle Hulme. Examples like this are very numerous, and basing ward names on the locations of sports clubs and grounds would be a constant game of catch-up as clubs move around. Still can't fathom why Milton Keynes wasn't just renamed Wimbledon when the club moved there. Wouldn't that have been easier than renaming the club? Of course, at one point the suggestion was that they moved to Dublin, which would have been not just another ward or council, but another country... not that the authorities would ever have allowed it. |
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Post by timrollpickering on Sept 23, 2021 10:47:34 GMT
Well, yes. A few examples on a micro level: Moseley rugby club plays in Billesley, not Moseley (though it's quite close). Kings Norton RFC plays in Hopwood (not quite so close). Bournville RFC plays in Edgbaston. Moseley cricket club plays in Olton. Birmingham and Solihull RFC's ground is in neither Birmingham nor Solihull. Manchester RFC play some way outside Manchester - in Cheadle Hulme. Examples like this are very numerous, and basing ward names on the locations of sports clubs and grounds would be a constant game of catch-up as clubs move around. Still can't fathom why Milton Keynes wasn't just renamed Wimbledon when the club moved there. Wouldn't that have been easier than renaming the club? And then there's "Manchester" United... |
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Post by Tony Otim on Sept 23, 2021 10:47:47 GMT
And Five Ways Old Edwardians CC also play in Hopwood, opposite Kings Norton RUFC (there's a RL club that shares the ground), and nowhere near Five Ways school, which is in Bartley Green (and the contact the club has with the school is minimal) Well, Camp Hill (Old Eds) RFC play in Shirley, not near Camp Hill school, which is in any case in Kings Heath; don't these things get complicated? And Bartley Green is many a mile from Five Ways ... at least King Edward's Aston school is still in Aston, though Aston Old Eds RFC play up in Perry Common. But we digress ...
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Post by The Bishop on Sept 23, 2021 10:51:01 GMT
Still can't fathom why Milton Keynes wasn't just renamed Wimbledon when the club moved there. Wouldn't that have been easier than renaming the club? And then there's "Manchester" United... You could equally cite "Nottingham" Forest. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2021 10:53:04 GMT
And then there's "Manchester" United... You could equally cite "Nottingham" Forest. "Nottingham" RFC also play in West Bridgford |
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Post by The Bishop on Sept 23, 2021 10:57:45 GMT
And the Test cricket ground is also there. Against that, Notts County actually play in the city itself.
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Post by Tony Otim on Sept 23, 2021 10:58:09 GMT
And Brighton and Hove Albion play in a village in Lewes District.
I'm sure there are many more examples.
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Post by Chris from Brum on Sept 23, 2021 11:06:26 GMT
And Brighton and Hove Albion play in a village in Lewes District. I'm sure there are many more examples. *cough* Arsenal. |
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