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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jul 8, 2021 23:49:27 GMT
Not according to the Chief Exec:
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Post by middleenglander on Jul 8, 2021 23:52:56 GMT
The two wards in East Suffolk must be counting tomorrow I should think Single ward, two vacancies |
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Post by yellowperil on Jul 8, 2021 23:55:42 GMT
The two wards in East Suffolk must be counting tomorrow I should think Single ward, two vacancies ,,, and recounts on the cards? |
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Post by yellowperil on Jul 9, 2021 0:08:04 GMT
That sounds unlikely- the outgong independent councillor for Feniton was scathing about the lack of any campaigning from Labour there. Of course, the previous strong county campaign by the same young Labour candidate for St Michaels had covered Feniton as well as Honiton, so they may have uncovered some potential there at that stage, and certainly the Labour vote in Feniton went up a bit, but I'm sure they were concentrating on St Michaels this time. It may be they were hoping to capitalise on the LD’s candidate’s admission she’d done no campaigning, so usually LD voters would come over to somebody better known from the campaign?more confusion- both Lib Dem candidates in these two wards were male, and the admission of no campaigning was in St Michaels, not Feniton.On the other hand, there were reports that the (female) Labour candidate in Feniton did no campaigning- I guess she was busy helping Jake in St Michaels. |
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Post by phil156 on Jul 9, 2021 0:38:37 GMT
Single ward, two vacancies ,,, and recounts on the cards? |
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Post by phil156 on Jul 9, 2021 0:39:32 GMT
,,, and recounts on the cards? You could be right 😢 |
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Post by phil156 on Jul 9, 2021 0:55:49 GMT
East Devon: Feniton - Conservative gain from Independent| Party | 2021 votes | 2021 share | since 2019 | | Conservative | 239 | 53.5% | +40.9% | | Labour | 126 | 28.2% | +23.4% | | Liberal Democrat | 82 | 18.3% | from nowhere | | Elected Independent |
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Swing: Not meaningful Council now: 22 Conservative, 15 Independent, 13 East Devon Alliance, 7 Liberal Democrat, 2 Green, 1 Labour East Devon: Honiton St Michael - Labour gain from Liberal Democrat| Party | 2021 votes | 2021 share | since 2019 "top" | since 2019 "average" | | since 2016 B * | since 2015 "top" * | since 2015 "average" * | | Labour | 807 | 58.0% | from nowhere | from nowhere |
| +36.3% | from nowhere | from nowhere | | Conservative | 522 | 37.5% | -15.5% | -12.3% |
| -2.3% | -2.0% | -2.2% | | Liberal Democrat | 63 | 4.5% | -42.5% | -45.7% |
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* minor boundary changes in 2019 Swing: Not meaningful Council now: 22 Conservative, 15 Independent, 13 East Devon Alliance, 7 Liberal Democrat, 2 Green, 1 Labour East Suffolk: Aldeburgh & Leiston - result awaited | Party | 2021 votes
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Swing: Council now: 37 Conservative, 7 Labour, 4 Green, 3 Liberal Democrat, 1 Independent, 3 vacancies Harlow: Mark Hall - Conservative gain from Labour| Party | 2021 B votes | 2021 B share | since 2021 | since 2019 | since 2018 | since 2016 | | Conservative | 549 | 46.4% | -14.6% | +23.2% | +13.4% | +23.4% | | Labour | 493 | 41.7% | +9.8% | -0.9% | -8.2% | -2.7% | | Green | 86 | 7.3% | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | | Liberal Democrat | 55 | 4.6% | -2.4% | -5.0% | -3.3% | -1.5% | | UKIP |
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Swing: Conservative to Labour 12½% since May but Labour to Conservative 12% since 2019, 10¾% since 2018 and 13% since 2016 Council now: 21 Conservative, 12 Labour Huntingdonshire: St Neots East - Independent gain from Labour| Party | 2021 votes | 2021 share | since 2018 "top" | since 2018 "average" | | Independent | 249 | 42.5% | from nowhere | from nowhere | | Green | 196 | 33.4% | from nowhere | from nowhere | | Liberal Democrat | 68 | 11.6% | -15.9% | -20.4% | | Conservative | 47 | 8.0% | -24.0% | -23.7% | | Labour | 26 | 4.4% | -36.0% | -31.8% | | Total votes | 586 |
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Swing: Not meaningful Council now: 30 Conservative, 10 Independent Group, 7 Liberal Democrat, 3 Labour, 2 Independent Mid Sussex: Ardingley & Balcombe - Conservative hold | Party | 2021 votes | 2021 share | since 2019 "top" | since 2019 "average" | since 2015 "top" | since 2015 "average" | | Conservative | 452 | 36.9% | -2.0% | -2.0% | -10.0% | -9.9% | | Green | 409 | 33.4% | +10.1% | +9.4% | +13.4% | +13.3% | | Liberal Democrat | 340 | 27.8% | +1.0% | +2.1% | from nowhere | from nowhere | | Independent | 23 | 1.9% | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | | Labour |
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Swing: Conservative to Green 6% / 5¾% since 2019 and 11¾% / 11½% since 2015; also Conservative to Liberal Democrat 1½% / 2% since 2019
Council now: 35 Conservative, 13 Liberal Democrat, 3 Green, 3 Independent |
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Post by phil156 on Jul 9, 2021 1:14:19 GMT
The East Sussex one was a green gain after some confusion
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Post by froome on Jul 9, 2021 4:27:08 GMT
Any news from Suffolk? Given the results elsewhere, maybe the Communist has won! |
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Post by yellowperil on Jul 9, 2021 4:53:40 GMT
Any news from Suffolk? Given the results elsewhere, maybe the Communist has won! I made that joke several hours ago- at least I thought it was a joke. Now I'm wondering... Finally gave up on all this at 1.30 to get a bit of sleep. Came back at 5.30 to see how it had been resolved, to find nothing had changed.Did everyone decide to sleep on it? |
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Jul 9, 2021 5:22:19 GMT
HUNTINGDONSHIRE St Neots East PITT, Ben (Independent) 249 DAVENPORT-RAY, Lara (Green) 196 SEEFF, Geoff (Liberal Democrat) 68 COLLINS, Sam (Conservative) 47 STROUD, Helen Mary (Labour) 26 My word, talk about a mass rejection! Con -24%, Lab -36%, Lib Dem -16%. Was this something about St. Neot's or did this part of Cambridgeshire in the locals reject all parties in a similar way? |
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Post by Merseymike on Jul 9, 2021 6:10:01 GMT
However, if Labour can't take back the Mark Hall ward in Harlow, which is stereotypical of a white working class Labour ward, they still have a way to go Or alternatively: Mark Hall ward saw the Conservatives poll just under twice as many votes as Labour in May, too much to overturn in two months; but Labour did extraordinarily well to cut the Conservative lead down to a narrow 50 votes. I lived in Harlow back in the 80's for a couple of years, and the idea that the Tories would ever win Mark Hall - at the time divided into North and South - would have been unthinkable. At the time Jerry Hayes was the MP but Labour held nearly every seat on Harlow Council. If they are going to win Harlow again, then they need to have a very clear lead here and in the other new town wards. |
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Post by michael2019 on Jul 9, 2021 6:42:22 GMT
HUNTINGDONSHIRE St Neots East PITT, Ben (Independent) 249 DAVENPORT-RAY, Lara (Green) 196 SEEFF, Geoff (Liberal Democrat) 68 COLLINS, Sam (Conservative) 47 STROUD, Helen Mary (Labour) 26 My word, talk about a mass rejection! Con -24%, Lab -36%, Lib Dem -16%. Was this something about St. Neot's or did this part of Cambridgeshire in the locals reject all parties in a similar way? Surely *you* should see this as a positive vote for the Greens? It does seem in the "Tory" shires people are voting quite a bit for non-Tories at the moment which may be something that is bubbling up. The Tory strength shouldn't though be underestimated - particularly at a parliamentary level. And also the electorate are distributing their favours (and votes!) between all four possibilities - Labour, Lib Dems, Greens and independents. It has to be said that if it hadn't been for the coalition years (and everything else had been the same - which of course it wouldn't have been!) the Lib Dems would be absolutely "coining it in" in areas such as these - and that they are not shows they still have some way to go to overcome the reticence of people to vote for them stemming from that period. I have no knowledge of Huntingdonshire but it seems from afar doing some research that this is quite a strong area for independents within Huntingdonshire. An independent won (just!) the county council division which the ward is part of this year. Independents won all 3 seats in 2 other wards in St Neots (presumably - the ward titles have St Neots in them!) - under the banner "Putting St Neots Residents First" in 2018 when there were all-up elections. And these seem to have combined with other independents that were elected to form the 10-strong Huntingdonshire District Council Independent Group. But the independent who won didn't stand as part of the "St Neots Independent Group" banner (which is registered under with the EC) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Huntingdonshire_District_Council_electionwww.huntingdonshire.gov.uk/media/5321/election-of-county-councillor-for-st-neots-east-and-gransden.pdfapplications.huntingdonshire.gov.uk/moderngov/mgMemberIndex.aspx?FN=PARTY&VW=LIST&PIC=0search.electoralcommission.org.uk/English/Registrations/PP6403www.huntingdonshire.gov.uk/media/5392/statement-of-person-nominated-st-neots-east-ward-8-july-2021.pdf |
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Post by hempie on Jul 9, 2021 7:00:18 GMT
My word, talk about a mass rejection! Con -24%, Lab -36%, Lib Dem -16%. Was this something about St. Neot's or did this part of Cambridgeshire in the locals reject all parties in a similar way? Surely *you* should see this as a positive vote for the Greens? It does seem in the "Tory" shires people are voting quite a bit for non-Tories at the moment which may be something that is bubbling up. The Tory strength shouldn't though be underestimated - particularly at a parliamentary level. And also the electorate are distributing their favours (and votes!) between all four possibilities - Labour, Lib Dems, Greens and independents. It has to be said that if it hadn't been for the coalition years (and everything else had been the same - which of course it wouldn't have been!) the Lib Dems would be absolutely "coining it in" in areas such as these - and that they are not shows they still have some way to go to overcome the reticence of people to vote for them stemming from that period. I have no knowledge of Huntingdonshire but it seems from afar doing some research that this is quite a strong area for independents within Huntingdonshire. An independent won (just!) the county council division which the ward is part of this year. Independents won all 3 seats in 2 other wards in St Neots (presumably - the ward titles have St Neots in them!) - under the banner "Putting St Neots Residents First" in 2018 when there were all-up elections. And these seem to have combined with other independents that were elected to form the 10-strong Huntingdonshire District Council Independent Group. But the independent who won didn't stand as part of the "St Neots Independent Group" banner (which is registered under with the EC) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Huntingdonshire_District_Council_electionwww.huntingdonshire.gov.uk/media/5321/election-of-county-councillor-for-st-neots-east-and-gransden.pdfapplications.huntingdonshire.gov.uk/moderngov/mgMemberIndex.aspx?FN=PARTY&VW=LIST&PIC=0search.electoralcommission.org.uk/English/Registrations/PP6403www.huntingdonshire.gov.uk/media/5392/statement-of-person-nominated-st-neots-east-ward-8-july-2021.pdfThe winning candidate is a well liked Independent Town Councillor. The Green candidate, Lara, is a local activist on the estate who campaigned hard. The Labour vote disappeared because it was very much a personal vote for the local doctor Nik Johnson. I think the Conservative was from out of the area (Buckden) which will have counted against him when faced by two popular local activists. Lib Dems have little history in this particular estate. |
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Post by matureleft on Jul 9, 2021 7:25:17 GMT
Or alternatively: Mark Hall ward saw the Conservatives poll just under twice as many votes as Labour in May, too much to overturn in two months; but Labour did extraordinarily well to cut the Conservative lead down to a narrow 50 votes. I lived in Harlow back in the 80's for a couple of years, and the idea that the Tories would ever win Mark Hall - at the time divided into North and South - would have been unthinkable. At the time Jerry Hayes was the MP but Labour held nearly every seat on Harlow Council. If they are going to win Harlow again, then they need to have a very clear lead here and in the other new town wards. Worked in Harlow for 20 years - 1977 to 1996 and knew one or two Labour councillors. The council remained pretty strongly Labour through the Jerry Hayes period. Of course the Harlow constituency encompassed then and now more than the council area. But I suspect there were some split votes/differential turnout reasons for this as well.
It looks as if Halfon's entrenchment has prompted a much more solid Tory activism at local level than the Hayes period. Mark Hall had a UKIP interlude a few years back and a Lib Dem period earlier. It hasn't been strongly Labour for quite a while. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2021 7:33:31 GMT
So now we have the Exeter effect to go with the Brighton effect, the Cambridge affect, the London affect, and the Merseyside effect?
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Post by Merseymike on Jul 9, 2021 7:35:00 GMT
I lived in Harlow back in the 80's for a couple of years, and the idea that the Tories would ever win Mark Hall - at the time divided into North and South - would have been unthinkable. At the time Jerry Hayes was the MP but Labour held nearly every seat on Harlow Council. If they are going to win Harlow again, then they need to have a very clear lead here and in the other new town wards. Worked in Harlow for 20 years - 1977 to 1996 and knew one or two Labour councillors. The council remained pretty strongly Labour through the Jerry Hayes period. Of course the Harlow constituency encompassed then and now more than the council area. But I suspect there were some split votes/differential turnout reasons for this as well.
It looks as if Halfon's entrenchment has prompted a much more solid Tory activism at local level than the Hayes period. Mark Hall had a UKIP interlude a few years back and a Lib Dem period earlier. It hasn't been strongly Labour for quite a while. But it needs to be if Harlow is going to be back in the red column. You are quite right about the split voting, and the Tory ability to win the parliamentary seat while Labour had a huge majority on the council If they can't win these wards I don't think they will win the seat back. Mark Hall needs to be strong Labour because otherwise it will be outvoted by the Tory wards - and the middle class wards here are not Labour friendly. Did you work for Pearsons? Which councillors did you know? |
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Post by matureleft on Jul 9, 2021 7:59:33 GMT
Worked in Harlow for 20 years - 1977 to 1996 and knew one or two Labour councillors. The council remained pretty strongly Labour through the Jerry Hayes period. Of course the Harlow constituency encompassed then and now more than the council area. But I suspect there were some split votes/differential turnout reasons for this as well.
It looks as if Halfon's entrenchment has prompted a much more solid Tory activism at local level than the Hayes period. Mark Hall had a UKIP interlude a few years back and a Lib Dem period earlier. It hasn't been strongly Labour for quite a while. But it needs to be if Harlow is going to be back in the red column. You are quite right about the split voting, and the Tory ability to win the parliamentary seat while Labour had a huge majority on the council If they can't win these wards I don't think they will win the seat back. Mark Hall needs to be strong Labour because otherwise it will be outvoted by the Tory wards - and the middle class wards here are not Labour friendly. Did you work for Pearsons? Which councillors did you know? I did indeed (although it operated under other names in my time).
I can't recall the names exactly. Moore was one name I remember, and, I think, a young woman named Edwards. Of course I came across Richard Howitt (who was councillor in Old Harlow then I think).
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Post by Merseymike on Jul 9, 2021 8:22:38 GMT
But it needs to be if Harlow is going to be back in the red column. You are quite right about the split voting, and the Tory ability to win the parliamentary seat while Labour had a huge majority on the council If they can't win these wards I don't think they will win the seat back. Mark Hall needs to be strong Labour because otherwise it will be outvoted by the Tory wards - and the middle class wards here are not Labour friendly. Did you work for Pearsons? Which councillors did you know? I did indeed (although it operated under other names in my time).
I can't recall the names exactly. Moore was one name I remember, and, I think, a young woman named Edwards. Of course I came across Richard Howitt (who was councillor in Old Harlow then I think).
I actually succeeded Richard Howitt in his day job - didn't work out too well, largely because of a boss who turned out to be very homophobic ( not that he'd ever admit it publicly). I was very young and naive at the time. Amusingly after being forced out of the job by illegal procedural measures which the bloody useless union didn't even pick up at the time ( they were run by a combination of tankies and SWP and actually didn't want to touch the gay issue - talk about the elephant in the room) - there was some karma. The boss got himself a plum job with a nearby local authority. Within months the Tories took over the council and he was made redundant almost immediately 🕺😝 It's an area where large swings have been customary but right now it looks pretty firmly in the Tory column |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jul 9, 2021 8:25:14 GMT
It appears the result in Aldeburgh and Leiston was one Green Party and one Conservative (with the second Green Party candidate being only two votes behind). Still checking for the full result.
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