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Post by LDCaerdydd on Jun 21, 2021 22:09:44 GMT
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Jun 21, 2021 22:19:49 GMT
That Welsh version sounds pretty unaccented. Native speaker? EDIT. Wikipedia reveals she was born in Corwen, so her facility in the language is unsurprising. Aberystwyth University, I believe, so may have opted for Welsh language residence there. |
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Post by Foggy on Jun 21, 2021 22:35:22 GMT
That Welsh version sounds pretty unaccented. Native speaker? EDIT. Wikipedia reveals she was born in Corwen, so her facility in the language is unsurprising. University, I believe, so may have opted for Welsh language residence there. She wisely kept that quiet at hustings in Bangor! |
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Post by Merseymike on Jun 21, 2021 22:47:40 GMT
Claire Curtis-Thomas the former Labour MP for Crosby was a Welsh first language speaker too - came from the Swansea Valley
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Post by timmullen1 on Jun 21, 2021 23:36:46 GMT
I may have put us at cross-purposes. Her accent when taking the oath that wasn't an oath (trademark Boothroyd) in Welsh suggested to me a native speaker, and given the confirmation of her Corwen background that seems unsurprising. I haven't heard much of her speaking in English so don't know if her English is accented. An upbringing in Corwen probably wouldn't give her a caricature accent. I see, yes, it does seem like we were at cross purposes; I didn’t know she was Welsh until her acceptance speech, but andrewteale had noted in his Preview that she’d stood in Arfon (though IIRC he didn’t mention Ynys Môn) and I’d merely pondered whether she was like the usual LD candidate in Stoke, from 100+ miles away. I can’t see anything online that would explain how she landed in Buckinghamshire though. |
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Post by andrew111 on Jun 21, 2021 23:46:30 GMT
I may have put us at cross-purposes. Her accent when taking the oath that wasn't an oath (trademark Boothroyd) in Welsh suggested to me a native speaker, and given the confirmation of her Corwen background that seems unsurprising. I haven't heard much of her speaking in English so don't know if her English is accented. An upbringing in Corwen probably wouldn't give her a caricature accent. I see, yes, it does seem like we were at cross purposes; I didn’t know she was Welsh until her acceptance speech, but andrewteale had noted in his Preview that she’d stood in Arfon (though IIRC he didn’t mention Ynys Môn) and I’d merely pondered whether she was like the usual LD candidate in Stoke, from 100+ miles away. I can’t see anything online that would explain how she landed in Buckinghamshire though. Well, she moved to London and then to Amersham in good time for the by-election. Lots of people are moving from London to the Chilterns I hear. But her being a native Welsh speaker was mentioned on the Lib Dem FB page for the constituency a few times. And taking the affirmation or whatever in Welsh shows she is proud of that heritage. |
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Post by timmullen1 on Jun 21, 2021 23:54:47 GMT
I see, yes, it does seem like we were at cross purposes; I didn’t know she was Welsh until her acceptance speech, but andrewteale had noted in his Preview that she’d stood in Arfon (though IIRC he didn’t mention Ynys Môn) and I’d merely pondered whether she was like the usual LD candidate in Stoke, from 100+ miles away. I can’t see anything online that would explain how she landed in Buckinghamshire though. Well, she moved to London and then to Amersham in good time for the by-election. Lots of people are moving from London to the Chilterns I hear. But her being a native Welsh speaker was mentioned on the Lib Dem FB page for the constituency a few times. And taking the affirmation or whatever in Welsh shows she is proud of that heritage. TBH until I read her Wikipedia page earlier I knew nothing more than that contained in Andrew’s Preview, and that I’m not sure she would have had the same impact on teenage me as the former Children’s BBC presenter of the same name had. |
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Post by michaelarden on Jun 22, 2021 8:13:33 GMT
I see, yes, it does seem like we were at cross purposes; I didn’t know she was Welsh until her acceptance speech, but andrewteale had noted in his Preview that she’d stood in Arfon (though IIRC he didn’t mention Ynys Môn) and I’d merely pondered whether she was like the usual LD candidate in Stoke, from 100+ miles away. I can’t see anything online that would explain how she landed in Buckinghamshire though. Well, she moved to London and then to Amersham in good time for the by-election. Lots of people are moving from London to the Chilterns I hear. But her being a native Welsh speaker was mentioned on the Lib Dem FB page for the constituency a few times. And taking the affirmation or whatever in Welsh shows she is proud of that heritage. Good time in this case meaning 'just in time for the nomination deadline' (allegedly). |
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Post by carlton43 on Jun 22, 2021 9:41:13 GMT
I may have put us at cross-purposes. Her accent when taking the oath that wasn't an oath (trademark Boothroyd) in Welsh suggested to me a native speaker, and given the confirmation of her Corwen background that seems unsurprising. I haven't heard much of her speaking in English so don't know if her English is accented. An upbringing in Corwen probably wouldn't give her a caricature accent. Why on earth would she do that as the MP for Chesham and Amersham? And why do so many on these threads go on about the need not just for the necessity of Welsh people standing in Welsh seats, but properly 'local' Welsh people standing; and properly 'local' Batleyite Yorkshire and not alien Kirklees candidates for Batley and Spen; but, hey, it is fine for a new Home Counties England MP to spout in a foreign tongue and to come from a foreign country? Double standards and gross hypocrisy or wot? |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jun 22, 2021 9:44:48 GMT
Her predecessor as MP for Chesham and Amersham was Governor-General^W Secretary of State for Wales.
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Post by Chris from Brum on Jun 22, 2021 10:01:09 GMT
Her predecessor as MP for Chesham and Amersham was Governor-General^W Secretary of State for Wales. Cheryl Gillam was indeed Welsh. But let's not forget:
Churchill (English) represented Dundee for a while. Jim Callaghan (English) represented Cardiff. Michael Foot (English) represented Ebbw Vale/Blaenau Gwent Roy Jenkins (Welsh) represented Glasgow for his final stint in the Commons. And represented London and Birmingham before that.
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 22, 2021 10:38:42 GMT
Well, she moved to London and then to Amersham in good time for the by-election. Lots of people are moving from London to the Chilterns I hear. But her being a native Welsh speaker was mentioned on the Lib Dem FB page for the constituency a few times. And taking the affirmation or whatever in Welsh shows she is proud of that heritage. Good time in this case meaning 'just in time for the nomination deadline' (allegedly). Ah yes, its surely interesting that little salvo from Paul Staines totally flopped isn't it. |
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Post by andrew111 on Jun 22, 2021 10:51:52 GMT
Good time in this case meaning 'just in time for the nomination deadline' (allegedly). Ah yes, its surely interesting that little salvo from Paul Staines totally flopped isn't it. Well, it was true, actually, and the Tories ran with it extensively. But C&A is not a very localist place, the Tory had no record of doing anything in C&A except buy a house for his family to live in while he worked abroad, and local people cared a lot more about planning and giving Boris a kick for being too keen on Brexit and the North of England. |
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 22, 2021 11:07:54 GMT
Ah yes, its surely interesting that little salvo from Paul Staines totally flopped isn't it. Well, it was true, actually, and the Tories ran with it extensively. But C&A is not a very localist place, the Tory had no record of doing anything in C&A except buy a house for his family to live in while he worked abroad, and local people cared a lot more about planning and giving Boris a kick for being too keen on Brexit and the North of England. Yeah, that she only just moved to the seat was indisputable and she didn't deny it. I was thinking rather more of the Fawkes insinuation that something dodgy was going on. |
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Post by andrew111 on Jun 22, 2021 11:15:16 GMT
Well, it was true, actually, and the Tories ran with it extensively. But C&A is not a very localist place, the Tory had no record of doing anything in C&A except buy a house for his family to live in while he worked abroad, and local people cared a lot more about planning and giving Boris a kick for being too keen on Brexit and the North of England. Yeah, that she only just moved to the seat was indisputable and she didn't deny it. I was thinking rather more of the Fawkes insinuation that something dodgy was going on. Fawkes always does that as does "Lib Dem Watch" who suggested the Lib Dem newspapers would not be declared in expenses (and did not mention the Tory newspaper) |
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Post by yellowperil on Jun 22, 2021 13:57:17 GMT
I was doing a little arithmetic because I had wondered whether Sarah Green was the 100th Lib Dem to be first elected to Parliament as a Lib Dem, but I think actually she's the 101st. On my calculations she is the 129th Lib Dem MP in total. Discount the 7 defectors from 2019 who were elected as Labour or Conservative, the 18 Lib Dem MPs first elected as Liberals, the one first elected as Labour ,then SDP(Bob McLennan), the other two ex-Tories (Emma Nicholson, Peter Thurnham. If that's all correct that makes her no 101, and the hundredth was whoever was the last Lib Dem to be newly elected at the 2019 general election( Wendy probably, but it could have been Daisy or Munira, I haven't checked!).
Anyone check my arithmetic?
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Post by Chris from Brum on Jun 22, 2021 13:59:12 GMT
I was doing a little arithmetic because I had wondered whether Sarah Green was the 100th Lib Dem to be first elected to Parliament as a Lib Dem, but I think actually she's the 101st. On my calculations she is the 129th Lib Dem MP in total. Discount the 7 defectors from 2019 who were elected as Labour or Conservative, the 18 Lib Dem MPs first elected as Liberals, the one first elected as Labour ,then SDP(Bob McLennan), the other two ex-Tories (Emma Nicholson, Peter Thurnham. If that's all correct that makes her no 101, and the hundredth was whoever was the last Lib Dem to be newly elected at the 2019 general election( Wendy probably, but it could have been Daisy or Munira, I haven't checked!). Anyone check my arithmetic? Kennedy? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2021 14:03:24 GMT
I was doing a little arithmetic because I had wondered whether Sarah Green was the 100th Lib Dem to be first elected to Parliament as a Lib Dem, but I think actually she's the 101st. On my calculations she is the 129th Lib Dem MP in total. Discount the 7 defectors from 2019 who were elected as Labour or Conservative, the 18 Lib Dem MPs first elected as Liberals, the one first elected as Labour ,then SDP(Bob McLennan), the other two ex-Tories (Emma Nicholson, Peter Thurnham. If that's all correct that makes her no 101, and the hundredth was whoever was the last Lib Dem to be newly elected at the 2019 general election( Wendy probably, but it could have been Daisy or Munira, I haven't checked!). Anyone check my arithmetic? Was Bellotti the first? |
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Post by andrewp on Jun 22, 2021 14:22:24 GMT
I was doing a little arithmetic because I had wondered whether Sarah Green was the 100th Lib Dem to be first elected to Parliament as a Lib Dem, but I think actually she's the 101st. On my calculations she is the 129th Lib Dem MP in total. Discount the 7 defectors from 2019 who were elected as Labour or Conservative, the 18 Lib Dem MPs first elected as Liberals, the one first elected as Labour ,then SDP(Bob McLennan), the other two ex-Tories (Emma Nicholson, Peter Thurnham. If that's all correct that makes her no 101, and the hundredth was whoever was the last Lib Dem to be newly elected at the 2019 general election( Wendy probably, but it could have been Daisy or Munira, I haven't checked!). Anyone check my arithmetic? Have you factored in Brian Sedgemore and Paul Marsden? |
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Post by yellowperil on Jun 22, 2021 14:22:47 GMT
I was doing a little arithmetic because I had wondered whether Sarah Green was the 100th Lib Dem to be first elected to Parliament as a Lib Dem, but I think actually she's the 101st. On my calculations she is the 129th Lib Dem MP in total. Discount the 7 defectors from 2019 who were elected as Labour or Conservative, the 18 Lib Dem MPs first elected as Liberals, the one first elected as Labour ,then SDP(Bob McLennan), the other two ex-Tories (Emma Nicholson, Peter Thurnham. If that's all correct that makes her no 101, and the hundredth was whoever was the last Lib Dem to be newly elected at the 2019 general election( Wendy probably, but it could have been Daisy or Munira, I haven't checked!). Anyone check my arithmetic? Kennedy? Yes , how could I miss Charles? If that proved to be the only error, then Sarah will indeed be the 100th, but if I can make such a glaring one as that there are probably others  |
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