Chris from Brum
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Post by Chris from Brum on Jun 19, 2021 21:02:30 GMT
And those named Sarah from 9% to 17% - blatant "Sarahism"! At least we don't suffer from Sarahphobia! As someone married to a Sarah I can support this |
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Chris from Brum
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Post by Chris from Brum on Jun 19, 2021 21:08:39 GMT
I hope johnhemming doesn't mind being described as a businessman, though he did the hard yards as a councillor as well before entering parliament. |
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Post by johnloony on Jun 19, 2021 21:34:43 GMT
...The Green candidate was impressive in her way but extremely messianic! I felt that a conversation with her would very quickly become a catalogue of my lifestyle failings... Whereas a pint with you would be fine! That reminds me of the Bromley & Chislehurst by-election in 2006. When I met the Green candidate in the street a few days before polling day, I introduced myself to her just to be casual and friendly. She immediately started spouting out propaganda as if I were a floating voter and as if she were a party political broadcast. |
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Post by michael2019 on Jun 19, 2021 22:39:24 GMT
and national by election machines tend to be a bit... shit. Not really if I can be so bold if they are Liberal Democrat ones  !!!! |
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Post by Merseymike on Jun 19, 2021 22:49:11 GMT
And those named Sarah from 9% to 17% - blatant "Sarahism"! We can be thankful for the small mercy that none of them are called Sarah Teather She really did take sanctimony to its extreme level |
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Post by evergreenadam on Jun 19, 2021 22:54:29 GMT
I was very pleased with this result for three reasons. Firstly I was able to make a few quid as anybody who failed to see the value in the Lib Dem odds has no business betting. Secondly I was happy to see this bloody awful government given a kicking. Thirdly it was nice to see the Lib Dems remind everyone that they are the most dishonest bunch of shysters that you could ever be unfortunate enough to meet. Their campaign was a quite simply superb appeal to selfish nimbyism and the maintenance of wealth by the comfortable middle class. Next time any of these sods start talking about affordable housing or opportunities for the young we all know exactly how seriously to take them. Those fine words in the preamble of their constitution that they are so proud of mean nothing. There is no principle that they hold that they would not sell if the number of votes offered was high enough. They have re-established themselves as the ultimate opportunists in British politics. Not a betting person, but agree with points 2 and 3. Most people praising your third point seem to come from elsewhere on the political spectrum. I am happy to reconcile doing so with the fact I've voted for Ms Green before and voted LD as recently as last month (albeit in a meaningless election for a position that shouldn't exist). When we had a Lib Dem MP around here, she often wore a 'green LD' badge and claimed to be in favour of wind farms, but when residents of a village on the edge of the constituency got together to oppose such a development, she jumped on the bandwagon to support their objections. And of course none of that pivot to populist nimbyism stopped her from losing heavily at the following 3 general elections. Even though I still voted for her at the middle one. Which constituency? |
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Khunanup
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Post by Khunanup on Jun 20, 2021 0:31:45 GMT
I have to say I'm none too happy from a LD perspective with anyone making a big thing out of the very low Labour vote in C&A. It looks as if there may have been a very informal decision to back pedal in C&A in order to concentrate on B&S. If it wasn't a tacit agreement between LDs and Labour then maybe it ought to have been. It is just sensible prioritising in the face of the vagaries of a FPTP system. Drawing undue attention to a very low Labour vote makes it more likely that such sensible prioritising of effort doesn't happen again. Labour MPs went there though, including our own. They like tilting at windmills in the South East and this time people didn't buy into it. A lesson for everyone really... |
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Khunanup
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Post by Khunanup on Jun 20, 2021 0:51:13 GMT
Worth mentioning that our winning candidate is a businesswoman.
Perhaps being a businessman really is a handicap...
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Post by yellowperil on Jun 20, 2021 6:00:09 GMT
I have to say I'm none too happy from a LD perspective with anyone making a big thing out of the very low Labour vote in C&A. It looks as if there may have been a very informal decision to back pedal in C&A in order to concentrate on B&S. If it wasn't a tacit agreement between LDs and Labour then maybe it ought to have been. It is just sensible prioritising in the face of the vagaries of a FPTP system. Drawing undue attention to a very low Labour vote makes it more likely that such sensible prioritising of effort doesn't happen again. Labour MPs went there though, including our own. They like tilting at windmills in the South East and this time people didn't buy into it. A lesson for everyone really... Interesting, but I suspect MPs sometimes turn up at by-elections to earn brownie points from their party, and their presence has little relevance to the overall effort being made. |
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Post by timmullen1 on Jun 20, 2021 9:54:08 GMT
Labour MPs went there though, including our own. They like tilting at windmills in the South East and this time people didn't buy into it. A lesson for everyone really... Interesting, but I suspect MPs sometimes turn up at by-elections to earn brownie points from their party, and their presence has little relevance to the overall effort being made. And you’ve got to be seen to be making some effort even when it’s very much a going through the motions exercise. If nothing else you don’t want the local Party to feel totally abandoned, and there may be areas of a constituency where raising the profile now can pay off at local elections. |
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Post by Merseymike on Jun 20, 2021 10:03:31 GMT
Apparently Labour have more members in this constituency than voted Labour at the by-election
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Post by Merseymike on Jun 20, 2021 10:06:03 GMT
Worth mentioning that our winning candidate is a businesswoman. Perhaps being a businessman really is a handicap... There are certainly small business people in the Commons on all sides. Bill Esterson is an example on the Labour side. Though many simply don't have the time to be councillors, particularly if their business is in its infancy which may put them at a disadvantage for selection in the first place. |
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Post by timmullen1 on Jun 20, 2021 10:20:35 GMT
Apparently Labour have more members in this constituency than voted Labour at the by-election If so, although I saw one report saying Labour got 10 more votes than members, it would be a repeat of Christian Wolmar’s performance in the Richmond Park by-election. |
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Post by andrewp on Jun 20, 2021 10:28:59 GMT
Apparently Labour have more members in this constituency than voted Labour at the by-election In the Daily Mail yesterday they name a Labour member in Chesham Peter van Der Slujis who told them he was a Labour member but voted Lib Dem. The fact that they have named him- does that mean he could be expelled in theory? |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jun 20, 2021 10:32:44 GMT
The rule is that endorsing someone before the election is grouunds for automatic exclusion (NB not expulsion) from Labour Party membership, but saying you voted for a different party after the election is not.
Except if you're Alistair Campbell and the General Secretary is a Trot.
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Post by Merseymike on Jun 20, 2021 10:40:16 GMT
The rule is that endorsing someone before the election is grouunds for automatic exclusion (NB not expulsion) from Labour Party membership, but saying you voted for a different party after the election is not. Except if you're Alistair Campbell and the General Secretary is a Trot. Alistair Campbell - another one who simply can't grasp that his mid-90's solutions have no relevance today Is he still going on about the EU and rejoining? |
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Post by timmullen1 on Jun 20, 2021 11:25:35 GMT
The rule is that endorsing someone before the election is grouunds for automatic exclusion (NB not expulsion) from Labour Party membership, but saying you voted for a different party after the election is not. Except if you're Alistair Campbell and the General Secretary is a Trot. Or your name’s Michael Cashman and the General Secretary is a Trot. |
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The Bishop
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 20, 2021 11:27:00 GMT
Campbell didn't just "say" it, he effectively emblazoned it in ten foot high neon lettering.
He knew fully well that the party would have no option but to take action, and that was all part of the plan.
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Post by Richard Cromwell on Jun 20, 2021 13:24:51 GMT
I have no mouth and I must scream.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jun 20, 2021 17:21:01 GMT
"Over the years". Other than the unusual circumstances of Brecon & Radnor our first since 2010. 2006 I think, Dunfermline? I have a feeling 2006 predates 2010.  |
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