sirbenjamin
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Post by sirbenjamin on Dec 27, 2022 16:22:01 GMT
I don't often get angry about 'the way things are' but these WFH tables really appear to be taking the piss.
It's a generalisation, but there's a distinct sense that people in poorer areas who are likely to be harder hit by the cost of travel to work are the ones least likely to be working from home, whereas more affluent areas have more folks saving on travel costs while picking up the larger salaries.
Some are just ridiculous - the two fucking Westminster seats FFS. These are surely the people with the least need or excuse to be working at home.
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Post by No Offence Alan on Dec 27, 2022 16:32:39 GMT
I don't often get angry about 'the way things are' but these WFH tables really appear to be taking the piss. It's a generalisation, but there's a distinct sense that people in poorer areas who are likely to be harder hit by the cost of travel to work are the ones least likely to be working from home, whereas more affluent areas have more folks saving on travel costs while picking up the larger salaries. Some are just ridiculous - the two fucking Westminster seats FFS. These are surely the people with the least need or excuse to be working at home. On the contrary, they are the people with the least need to be in any particular physical location to do their job. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Dec 27, 2022 16:33:50 GMT
I would point out to you that Census day was Sunday 21 March 2021, that at the time of the Census England was still subject to the 'stay at home rule', and that the Census rubric instructed respondents to answer this question as of the date of the Census rather than what might have been the case with no restrictions.
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Post by bjornhattan on Dec 27, 2022 16:38:32 GMT
I don't often get angry about 'the way things are' but these WFH tables really appear to be taking the piss. It's a generalisation, but there's a distinct sense that people in poorer areas who are likely to be harder hit by the cost of travel to work are the ones least likely to be working from home, whereas more affluent areas have more folks saving on travel costs while picking up the larger salaries. Some are just ridiculous - the two fucking Westminster seats FFS. These are surely the people with the least need or excuse to be working at home. In 2011, things generally were as you describe. The constituencies which had highest levels of home working then were mostly rural (perhaps because of farmers being classed as home workers), with a few seats on the fringes of London's orbit such as Henley and Mole Valley creeping into the top 20. Not one of these seats remains in the top 20 and only a handful have even remained in the top 100. It is quite a momentous change. Surprisingly, this change is much less evident at the bottom of the rankings. The seats with least working from home in 2011 were working class and urban (Hull East being lowest of all); about half of the bottom 20 seats in this regard then were still in the bottom 20 by 2021. Only West Ham has gone from near the bottom of the list in 2011 to the top half by 2021, and I dare say that wouldn't have happened if the huge changes to Stratford hadn't. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2022 16:52:36 GMT
I would point out to you that Census day was Sunday 21 March 2021, that at the time of the Census England was still subject to the 'stay at home rule', and that the Census rubric instructed respondents to answer this question as of the date of the Census rather than what might have been the case with no restrictions. This is the thing. A Census records things as the are on the day. That's the whole point. In 100 years time, the Census will record how life was under lockdown. As it should. Life meant lockdown for two years, that's just how we lived. |
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Post by bjornhattan on Dec 27, 2022 17:00:54 GMT
I would point out to you that Census day was Sunday 21 March 2021, that at the time of the Census England was still subject to the 'stay at home rule', and that the Census rubric instructed respondents to answer this question as of the date of the Census rather than what might have been the case with no restrictions. This is the thing. A Census records things as the are on the day. That's the whole point. In 100 years time, the Census will record how life was under lockdown. As it should. Life meant lockdown for two years, that's just how we lived. The difficulty is that while the purpose of the census may be to record a snapshot of how things were at a particular moment, it is used for far more than that. From councils to businesses, census figures and statistics will be used to plan what services need to be provided and identify where there may be demand for particular facilities. In particular, I suspect the Department for Transport will be looking very carefully at which areas have high rates of working from home in this census when deciding which train services to cut in the coming months and years. Generally this aim doesn't conflict with the overall purpose of the census but this is one case where it does. After all, you are correct that life meant lockdown for two years, but it doesn't mean lockdown for ten. |
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Post by No Offence Alan on Dec 27, 2022 18:41:31 GMT
I would point out to you that Census day was Sunday 21 March 2021, that at the time of the Census England was still subject to the 'stay at home rule', and that the Census rubric instructed respondents to answer this question as of the date of the Census rather than what might have been the case with no restrictions. This is the thing. A Census records things as the are on the day. That's the whole point. In 100 years time, the Census will record how life was under lockdown. As it should. Life meant lockdown for two years, that's just how we lived. I like the "snapshot" approach. My great-great-great-great-grandfather and his eldest daughter are missing from the family home in the 1841 census. I tracked them down to Worcester Wharf in Birmingham, which evokes a story of them travelling by canal to Birmingham to sell some produce. |
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Post by Robert Waller on Jan 6, 2023 19:33:08 GMT
2021 CENSUS
20 CONSTITUENCIES WITH HIGHEST PROPORTION OF SOCIAL RENTED HOUSING
England and Wales % ….. Result 2019 …. Change since 2011 1. Hackney South and Shoreditch 45.8 Lab -4.3 2. Camberwell and Peckham 45.7 Lab -4.9 3. Islington South and Finsbury 42.7 Lab -1.0 4. Holborn and St Pancras 42.7 Lab +0.9 5. Bermondsey and Old Southwark 39.3 Lab -4.2 6. Bethnal Green and Bow 39.0 Lab -3.7 7. Vauxhall 39.0 Lab -2.2 8. Islington North 37.7 Lab -2.7 9. Hackney North and Stoke Newington 35.1 Lab -2.2 10. Birmingham Ladywood 35.1 Lab -3.1 11. Sheffield Brightside & Hillsborough 34.5 Lab -3.0 12. Blackley and Broughton 33.5 Lab -3.8 13. Nottingham North 33.4 Lab -3.4 14. Poplar and Limehouse 33.3 Lab -3.4 15. Hammersmith 33.1 Lab -1.2 16. Greenwich and Woolwich 33.1 Lab -6.2 17. Barking 32.9 Lab -3.0 18. Wythenshawe and Sale East 32.8 Lab -0.2 19. Newcastle upon Tyne Central 32.7 Lab -2.6 20. Dulwich and West Norwood 31.5 Lab -0.9 |
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Post by Robert Waller on Jan 6, 2023 19:57:04 GMT
2021 CENSUS
20 CONSTITUENCIES WITH HIGHEST PROPORTION OF OWNER OCCUPIED HOUSING
England and Wales % ….. Result 2019 …. Change since 2011 1 Sefton Central 83.2 Lab -2.5 2. Cheadle 82.5 C -1.8 3. Rayleigh and Wickford 82.3 C -2.5 4. Wyre and Preston North 81.4 C -2.8 5. Haltemprice and Howden 80.5 C -2.2 6. Castle Point 80.4 C -2.5 7. York Outer 80.3 C -2.0 8. Charnwood 80.0 C -2.3 9. Mid Derbyshire 79.3 C -2.0 10. Sheffield Hallam 79.1 Lab +1.5 11. Staffordshire Moorlands 78.9 C -1.1 12. Fareham 78.7 C -1.8 13. Bromsgrove 78.7 C -1.5 14. Thornbury and Yate 78.6 C -1.2 15. North Somerset 78.4 C -1.6 16. Orpington 78.4 C -2.1 17. Maldon 78.3 C -1.4 18. Sutton Coldfield 78.2 C -1.7 19. Christchurch 78.0 C -1.7 20. South West Devon 77.9 C -1.7 |
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Post by Robert Waller on Jan 6, 2023 20:27:49 GMT
2021 CENSUS
20 CONSTITUENCIES WITH HIGHEST PROPORTION OF PRIVATELY RENTED HOUSING
England and Wales
.......... % ........ 2019 result ......change since 2011 1. Cities of London and Westminster 46.9 C +0.8 2. Bristol West 42.4 Lab +0.9 3. Poplar and Limehouse 40.7 Lab +5.0 4. Manchester Central 40.7 Lab +4.4 5. Westminster North 40.7 Lab +1.6 6. Hampstead and Kilburn 40.4 Lab +2.6 7. Ealing Central and Acton 40.0 Lab +4.1 8. East Ham 39.6 Lab +3.5 9. Ilford South 39.5 Lab +8.0 10. Liverpool, Riverside 39.0 Lab +1.3 11. Kensington 39.0 C gain from Lab +0.4 12. Sheffield Central 38.7 Lab +1.2 13. Chelsea and Fulham 38.7 C +2.8 14. Cardiff Central 38.6 Lab +1.0 15. Finchley and Golders Green 38.4 C +4.6 16. Leeds Central 38.3 Lab +4.5 17. Battersea 38.3 Lab +5.6 18. West Ham 38.1 Lab +3.5 19. Brent Central 38.0 Lab +4.2 20. Tottenham 37.7 Lab +5.3 |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jan 7, 2023 0:47:12 GMT
2021 CENSUS
20 CONSTITUENCIES WITH HIGHEST PROPORTION OF OWNER OCCUPIED HOUSING
England and Wales % ….. Result 2019 …. Change since 2011 1 Sefton Central Liverpool Outer 83.2 Lab -2.5 2. Cheadle Manchester Outer 82.5 C -1.8 3. Rayleigh and Wickford London Outer (1) 82.3 C -2.5 4. Wyre and Preston North Preston Outer & Blackpool Outer 81.4 C -2.8 5. Haltemprice and Howden Hull Outer 80.5 C -2.2 6. Castle Point London Outer (2) 80.4 C -2.5 7. York Outer 80.3 C -2.0 8. Charnwood Leicester Outer 80.0 C -2.3 9. Mid Derbyshire Derby Outer 79.3 C -2.0 10. Sheffield Hallam Sheffield Outer 79.1 Lab +1.5 11. Staffordshire Moorlands Stoke Outer 78.9 C -1.1 12. Fareham Portsmouth Outer 78.7 C -1.8 13. Bromsgrove Birmingham South Outer 78.7 C -1.5 14. Thornbury and Yate Bristol North Outer 78.6 C -1.2 15. North Somerset Bristol South Outer 78.4 C -1.6 16. Orpington London Outer (3) 78.4 C -2.1 17. Maldon London Outer (4) 78.3 C -1.4 18. Sutton Coldfield Birmingham North Outer 78.2 C -1.7 19. Christchurch Bournemouth Outer 78.0 C -1.7 20. South West Devon Plymouth Outer 77.9 C -1.7 There's a rather striking (albeit not at all surprising (nor revelatory)) pattern here |
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Post by batman on Jan 7, 2023 10:45:28 GMT
Maldon is pushing it for London Outer, quite a lot of that constituency is genuinely rural. But of course totally take your point. I remember that in the last printed Almanac Camberwell & Peckham was no.1 of all the constituencies in terms of social rented housing, as well as for proportion of electors of Black ethnicity. Interesting it's gone up in the LOTO's constituency.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jan 7, 2023 10:58:04 GMT
Maldon is pushing it for London Outer, quite a lot of that constituency is genuinely rural. But of course totally take your point. I remember that in the last printed Almanac Camberwell & Peckham was no.1 of all the constituencies in terms of social rented housing, as well as for proportion of electors of Black ethnicity. Interesting it's gone up in the LOTO's constituency. Yes Maldon was stretching the point a bit I agree.. I remember in 1981 the two Tower Hamlets seats I think had the highest proportion of council housing in England (there were one or two Glasgow seats with higher figures) - both over 80% and these have declined massively. BY contrast the figures in Hackney and Islington have declined relatively modestly Edit: I'm not sure if Islington has actually declined at all - South has certainly, North may actually be as high as it was then |
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Post by John Chanin on Jan 7, 2023 12:26:15 GMT
Maldon is pushing it for London Outer, quite a lot of that constituency is genuinely rural. But of course totally take your point. I remember that in the last printed Almanac Camberwell & Peckham was no.1 of all the constituencies in terms of social rented housing, as well as for proportion of electors of Black ethnicity. Interesting it's gone up in the LOTO's constituency. Very odd, as right to buy is still making inroads into council housing stock, and there is little new being built by either councils or housing associations, and I’m certainly not aware of any major new development in inner London here that might lead to this anomaly. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jan 7, 2023 12:39:58 GMT
Maldon is pushing it for London Outer, quite a lot of that constituency is genuinely rural. But of course totally take your point. I remember that in the last printed Almanac Camberwell & Peckham was no.1 of all the constituencies in terms of social rented housing, as well as for proportion of electors of Black ethnicity. Interesting it's gone up in the LOTO's constituency. Very odd, as right to buy is still making inroads into council housing stock, and there is little new being built by either councils or housing associations, and I’m certainly not aware of any major new development in inner London here that might lead to this anomaly. Very surprising comment. For one thing, ever heard of Kings Cross Central? For another, Camden has a highly intensive estate renewal programme - see www.camden.gov.uk/community-investment-programme. Incidentally, while RTB sales are still allowed, there are not very many. Meanwhile the GLA and councils are buying back ex-RTB homes and returning them to council homes: www.london.gov.uk/press-releases/mayoral/mayor-hails-success-of-right-to-buy-back |
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Post by Robert Waller on Jan 14, 2023 19:20:05 GMT
2011 Census
20 CONSTITUENCIES WITH HIGHEST PROPORTION OF VOTERS WITH DEGREES ............... % ....... Result 2019 Battersea 57.4 Lab Richmond Park 55.2 LD gain from C Cities of London and Westminster 54.5 C Wimbledon 54.4 C Hampstead and Kilburn 54.0 Lab Chelsea and Fulham 53.7 C Kensington 52.2 C gain from Lab Hornsey and Wood Green 52.0 Lab Putney 51.6 Lab gain from C Tooting 51.4 Lab Twickenham 49.5 LD Edinburgh North and Leith 49.5 SNP Islington North 48.8 Lab Vauxhall 48.7 Lab Ealing Central and Acton 48.5 Lab Dulwich and West Norwood 47.6 Lab Hammersmith 47.5 Lab Islington South and Finsbury 47.4 Lab Westminster North 47.3 Lab Bristol West 47.2 Lab 2021 CENSUS
20 CONSTITUENCIES WITH HIGHEST PROPORTION OF VOTERS WITH DEGREES
England and Wales ....... % ....... Result 2019 1. Battersea 65.5 Lab 2. Richmond Park 63.6 LD gain from C 3. Cities of London and Westminster 61.9 C 4. Wimbledon 61.8 C 5. Tooting 61.8 Lab 6. Chelsea and Fulham 61.5 C 7. Hampstead and Kilburn 61.0 Lab 8. Putney 60.1 Lab gain from C 9. Kensington 58.9 C gain from Lab 10. Islington North 57.6 Lab 11. Hornsey and Wood Green 57.5 Lab 12. Dulwich and West Norwood 57.4 Lab 13. Vauxhall 57.3 Lab 14. Twickenham 57.1 LD 15. Streatham 56.7 Lab 16. Ealing Central and Acton 56.6 Lab 17. Islington South and Finsbury 55.7 Lab 18. Cambridge 55.4 Lab 19. Hammersmith 55.4 Lab 20. Bermondsey and Old Southwark 55.2 Lab |
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Post by Robert Waller on Jan 14, 2023 19:47:10 GMT
2011 Census
20 CONSTITUENCIES WITH LOWEST PROPORTION OF VOTERS WITH DEGREES ................. % ....... Result 2019 Birmingham Hodge Hill 12.1 Lab Walsall North 12.2 C Hull East 12.7 Lab Glasgow East 12.7 SNP West Bromwich West 13.1 C gain from Lab Nottingham North 13.3 Lab Liverpool Walton 13.3 Lab Clacton 13.4 C Stoke on Trent North 13.7 C gain from Lab Wolverhampton South East 13.9 Lab Rhondda 14.0 Lab Great Yarmouth 14.2 C Knowsley 14.3 Lab Rotherham 14.3 Lab Doncaster North 14.3 Lab Boston and Skegness 14.6 C Great Grimsby 14.6 C gain from Lab Blackpool South 14.6 C gain from Lab Castle Point 14.6 C Ashfield 14.6 C gain from Lab 2021 CENSUS
20 CONSTITUENCIES WITH LOWEST PROPORTION OF VOTERS WITH DEGREES
England and Wales ........ % ....... Result 2019 1. Clacton 17.5 C 2. Boston and Skegness 18.3 C 3. Great Yarmouth 18.3 C 4. Castle Point 18.5 C 5. Hull East 18.8 Lab 6. Walsall North 19.8 C 7. Birmingham Hodge Hill 19.8 Lab 8. Great Grimsby 19.9 C gain from Lab 9. Rotherham 20.4 Lab 10. Stoke on Trent North 20.4 C gain from Lab 11. NE Cambridgeshire 20.5 C 12. Ashfield 20.5 C gain from Lab 13. Doncaster North 20.6 Lab 14. West Bromwich West 20.6 C gain from Lab 15. Barnsley East 20.6 Lab 16. Wentworth and Dearne 21.1 Lab 17. Easington 21.1 Lab 18. South Holland & The Deepings 21.4 C 19. Rhondda 21.5 Lab 20. Scunthorpe 21.5 C gain from Lab |
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Post by Robert Waller on Jan 14, 2023 22:26:42 GMT
2021 CENSUS
20 CONSTITUENCIES WITH HIGHEST PROPORTION OF VOTERS WITH NO EDUCATIONAL QUALIFICATIONS
England and Wales .......... % ..... Result 2019 1. Leicester East 32.8 Lab 2. Birmingham Hodge Hill 32.8 Lab 3. West Bromwich West 30.1 C gain from Lab 4. Clacton 29.8 C 5. Walsall North 29.4 C 6. Wolverhampton South East 29.3 Lab 7. Bradford West 29.0 Lab 8. Bradford East 28.9 Lab 9. West Bromwich East 28.8 C gain from Lab 10. Boston and Skegness 28.7 C 11. Warley 28.7 Lab 12. Sheffield Brightside & Hillsborough 28.5 Lab 13. Rhondda 28.3 Lab 14. Liverpool Walton 28.2 Lab 15. Merthyr Tydfil and Rhymney 28.0 Lab 16. Blaenau Gwent 27.9 Lab 17. Rotherham 27.5 Lab 18. Knowsley 27.5 Lab 19. Edmonton 27.3 Lab 20. Birmingham Erdington 27.1 Lab |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jan 15, 2023 7:26:21 GMT
Edmonton is quite striking on that list, as the numbers in London are generally so much lower than elsewhere. I was doing a map of these figures yesterday and Edmonton stands out like a sore thumb. The next highest in London is Ealing Southall at 23.5%. I've always known Edmonton to be grim but I wonder why its so far ahead of similarly grim Outer London seats (eg Hayes & Harlington) on this particular metric.
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Post by bjornhattan on Jan 15, 2023 8:57:46 GMT
Edmonton is quite striking on that list, as the numbers in London are generally so much lower than elsewhere. I was doing a map of these figures yesterday and Edmonton stands out like a sore thumb. The next highest in London is Ealing Southall at 23.5%. I've always known Edmonton to be grim but I wonder why its so far ahead of similarly grim Outer London seats (eg Hayes & Harlington) on this particular metric. I'm not sure - the entire Lea Valley section of Enfield scores very badly on that measure. Indeed, Edmonton itself is even less educated than those figures suggest - most of the actual Edmonton MSOAs have about 30% of residents with no qualifications but Bush Hill Park (and adjacent parts of neighbouring wards) bring that figure down considerably. |
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