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Post by ilerda on Nov 10, 2022 22:50:10 GMT
I seem to recall reading early on in one of the initial reports that the BCE considered linking North Lincs/South Humberside (hahaha please don’t shoot me) with the East Riding as its natural and pre-existing partner, but the numbers didn’t work and given that Humberside no longer formally exists they felt able to link it with Doncaster instead.
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Post by islington on Nov 11, 2022 9:38:45 GMT
I'm not sure the legislation requires them to take into account local authorities that haven't existed administratively or ceremonially for a quarter of a century, does it? If that's simply the Commissioners' personal opinion then, well, frankly they ought to be sacked. That said, if we are counting that separately, then we have even more such crossings in the shape of Wells & Mendip Hills and Frome, both of which are also needless as the Somerset CC/UA area can stand alone for 6 seats. If you look at the spreadsheet of electorate data available on their Data and Resources page you will see that the data for Bristol, North Somerset, BaNES, South Gloucestershire, Hull, the East Riding and North and North East Lincolnshire can be found on tabs labelled "Avon" and "Humberside", and that column J, headed "County", has those names. This is of course now over 25 years out of date, but it's how they organise their data and I think that reflects how they think of these areas. Fortunately up here we escaped any impact of that, but they do describe "South Yorkshire and Humberside" as a sub-region even though de facto the East Riding and Hull (correctly) formed a sub-region in their own right. In this region they describe "Gloucestershire and Wiltshire (including Swindon)" and "'Avon', Somerset and Devon (including Torbay and Plymouth)" as sub-regions. Those titles do reflect the 1990s changes, but still suggest they regarded the former Avon area as a unit, though they did cross its border with Somerset twice, as you say. This is a very helpful and insightful post when it comes to understanding the BCE's thinking.
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Post by YL on Nov 14, 2022 20:01:41 GMT
Speaking of the area formerly known as Avon, I wonder whether the BCE (or perhaps the Conservative Party's boundary review team) ever considered an approach like this one: Three seats within South Gloucestershire and two within BaNES (with a split of Bathavon North to allow the latter without doing horrible things to Bath). Bristol Central, East and South as per BCE, and a Bristol North seat containing parts of their NE and NW. But then the partly-in-Bristol seat is "Avonmouth & Portbury", spanning the seaward end of the Avon Gorge and only connected via the Avonmouth Bridge. It's compatible with the BCE map in the rest of Somerset.
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Post by WJ on Nov 15, 2022 15:10:39 GMT
"Avon Banks"
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Nov 15, 2022 15:12:49 GMT
Banks of the Avon & Severn
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Nov 15, 2022 15:19:25 GMT
Given the number of rivers Avon in the south-west and midlands the real achievement would be to find a place where you could have a Banks of the Avons, and then an Ouse and Ouse seat somewhere in the east of England.
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Post by islington on Nov 15, 2022 16:11:19 GMT
Given the number of rivers Avon in the south-west and midlands the real achievement would be to find a place where you could have a Banks of the Avons, and then an Ouse and Ouse seat somewhere in the east of England. The BCE has beaten you to it (all except the name). The headwaters of the Salisbury Avon, just east of Devizes, are in the same proposed new seat as the Bristol Avon flowing through Melksham only a couple of miles to the west.
Edited to add: I've also noticed from close inspection of old boundaries on Parlconst that the Cirencester seat as constituted from 1885 to 1918 included a detached part at its southern end around Didmarton which just about includes the headwaters of the Bristol Avon, while at the northern end of the same seat there is a much larger detached part around Chipping Campden the northern extremity of which borders the Stratford Avon. I can't tell you how gratified I am by this discovery but that's probably just me.
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Nov 16, 2022 12:21:02 GMT
Not sure how to do this properly, but I'm putting this post from The Bishop here so as to avoid clogging the South-East thread: The North Cotswolds seat is a monstrosity in many regards, I take it as one of those things where one bad constituency is meant to facilitate the rest of the sub-region being OK (which I think they largely are.) I think it is going to be interesting to see how things pan out in this constituency, assuming it survives long-term. It should obviously be a pretty safe Tory notional hold but the scrap to establish who the main challenger is could be significant for future elections. If one party emerges strongly I'm not sure how safe it will stay on the basis of current trends and demographics.
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Post by YL on Nov 16, 2022 17:55:16 GMT
The North Cotswolds seat is a monstrosity in many regards, I take it as one of those things where one bad constituency is meant to facilitate the rest of the sub-region being OK (which I think they largely are.) Though as pointed out Longlevens is actually in the BCE's Tewkesbury. My temptation would be to try to build a constituency based on the leftover bits of Cheltenham and Gloucester together with places like Churchdown and Brockworth. Perhaps something like this: - Cheltenham and Gloucester as per BCE - "Cheltenham and Gloucester Outer" (70,277): the areas mentioned above plus four northern wards from Stroud district - East Gloucestershire (73,651) (or "North Cotswolds" if you insist): all of Cotswold district not in the BCE's "South Cotswolds" plus the northern end of Tewkesbury district, including Tewkesbury itself - Stroud (75,662): includes Minchinhampton instead of Severn, as otherwise the former is stranded. You might try to include Bishop's Cleeve in "Cheltenham and Gloucester Outer" instead of the Stroud wards, but the numbers don't work. They do work if you maintain the link to Tewkesbury itself but put Cleeve and the Stroud wards in East Gloucestershire. The mapped version is surely too radical for the BCE, especially at this stage. And no, I wouldn't actually call it that.
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Post by minionofmidas on Nov 16, 2022 18:21:55 GMT
What *would* you call it? It's a seat that's bound to happen sooner or later and I've wondered what it wd be called ever since I drew it ages ago in an exercise to see what might happen if the Welsh quota (of the 2000s review) were applied to England.
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Post by andrewp on Nov 16, 2022 18:24:50 GMT
What *would* you call it? It's a seat that's bound to happen sooner or later and I've wondered what it wd be called ever since I drew it ages ago in an exercise to see what might happen if the Welsh quota (of the 2000s review) were applied to England. It may well end up having to be Mid Gloucestershire, but I think it’s quite a good seat personally. Sooner or later there will be a seat based almost solely on the Cheltenham and Gloucester left overs and the bit in between.
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Post by bjornhattan on Nov 16, 2022 18:26:45 GMT
What *would* you call it? It's a seat that's bound to happen sooner or later and I've wondered what it wd be called ever since I drew it ages ago in an exercise to see what might happen if the Welsh quota (of the 2000s review) were applied to England. Much as "mid" names get a bad rap, Mid Gloucestershire would be a decent name for that seat. Alternatively, something like Churchdown or Brockworth might work (not sure which of the communities between Cheltenham and Gloucester is most significant - none of them seem to have much of their own gravitational pull).
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Post by YL on Nov 16, 2022 18:41:56 GMT
What *would* you call it? It's a seat that's bound to happen sooner or later and I've wondered what it wd be called ever since I drew it ages ago in an exercise to see what might happen if the Welsh quota (of the 2000s review) were applied to England. Even I would call it Mid Gloucestershire. It is genuinely in the middle and I can't think of a better name. Maybe Cooper's Hill. What happens there is of course what it is best known for.
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Post by minionofmidas on Nov 16, 2022 18:50:08 GMT
What *would* you call it? It's a seat that's bound to happen sooner or later and I've wondered what it wd be called ever since I drew it ages ago in an exercise to see what might happen if the Welsh quota (of the 2000s review) were applied to England. Even I would call it Mid Gloucestershire. It is genuinely in the middle and I can't think of a better name. Maybe Cooper's Hill. What happens there is of course what it is best known for. Is that the cheeserolling event? I remember that from Andrew's Previews.
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Post by islington on Nov 16, 2022 18:53:02 GMT
What *would* you call it? It's a seat that's bound to happen sooner or later and I've wondered what it wd be called ever since I drew it ages ago in an exercise to see what might happen if the Welsh quota (of the 2000s review) were applied to England. Much as "mid" names get a bad rap, Mid Gloucestershire would be a decent name for that seat. Alternatively, something like Churchdown or Brockworth might work (not sure which of the communities between Cheltenham and Gloucester is most significant - none of them seem to have much of their own gravitational pull). 'Mid Glos' would be fine as a name. I'd be more worried about the fact that it extends into four LAs. (Or is Glos going unitary?)
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Post by YL on Nov 16, 2022 19:08:57 GMT
Even I would call it Mid Gloucestershire. It is genuinely in the middle and I can't think of a better name. Maybe Cooper's Hill. What happens there is of course what it is best known for. Is that the cheeserolling event? I remember that from Andrew's Previews. Yes
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Nov 16, 2022 19:41:06 GMT
What *would* you call it? It's a seat that's bound to happen sooner or later and I've wondered what it wd be called ever since I drew it ages ago in an exercise to see what might happen if the Welsh quota (of the 2000s review) were applied to England. Opportunity missed to call it "Leftover Bits of Cheltenham and Gloucester" IMO.
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Nov 16, 2022 19:42:22 GMT
Is that the cheeserolling event? I remember that from Andrew's Previews. YesYou could call it Double Gloucester. I'll get my coat.
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Post by greatkingrat on Nov 16, 2022 20:04:43 GMT
What *would* you call it? It's a seat that's bound to happen sooner or later and I've wondered what it wd be called ever since I drew it ages ago in an exercise to see what might happen if the Welsh quota (of the 2000s review) were applied to England. Opportunity missed to call it "Leftover Bits of Cheltenham and Gloucester" IMO. Isn't it Leftover Bits of Lloyds TSB now?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2022 20:16:34 GMT
Cheltcester
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