The Bishop
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Post by The Bishop on Nov 21, 2023 13:28:55 GMT
Still time for Sunak to call a snap election on the old boundaries! In this hypothetical, would that actually be the case or would the new boundaries come into effect anyway given parliament would not be dissolved until after the 29th? |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Nov 21, 2023 13:33:24 GMT
Still time for Sunak to call a snap election on the old boundaries! In this hypothetical, would that actually be the case or would the new boundaries come into effect anyway given parliament would not be dissolved until after the 29th? I think in that case we're at the johnloony situation where we have two elections running concurrently. Parties can run the same candidates only in constituencies where there's overlap between old and new boundaries  |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Nov 27, 2023 14:11:41 GMT
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Post by Clark on Nov 29, 2023 20:55:57 GMT
Are these notionals for the new seats not out yet?
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Post by afleitch on Dec 1, 2023 14:00:11 GMT
Given how many different nationals we have, will the 'official' ones matter? I'm assuming the media will use them, but perhaps not the media who have collated their own.
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Post by evergreenadam on Dec 1, 2023 15:22:57 GMT
Given how many different nationals we have, will the 'official' ones matter? I'm assuming the media will use them, but perhaps not the media who have collated their own. I wonder how long these boundaries will actually last anyway. If Labour win the election and extend the general election franchise to EU nationals then another huge shake up will be required with seats redistributed to Greater London in particular. |
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Post by greenhert on Dec 1, 2023 18:28:45 GMT
With the order placing the new constituency boundaries into force having taken effect two days ago, this review is definitively and finally finished.
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Dec 1, 2023 18:38:53 GMT
Given how many different nationals we have, will the 'official' ones matter? I'm assuming the media will use them, but perhaps not the media who have collated their own. I wonder how long these boundaries will actually last anyway. If Labour win the election and extend the general election franchise to EU nationals then another huge shake up will be required with seats redistributed to Greater London in particular. On what basis? |
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Post by Peter Wilkinson on Dec 1, 2023 22:06:18 GMT
Given how many different nationals we have, will the 'official' ones matter? I'm assuming the media will use them, but perhaps not the media who have collated their own. I wonder how long these boundaries will actually last anyway. If Labour win the election and extend the general election franchise to EU nationals then another huge shake up will be required with seats redistributed to Greater London in particular. I suspect that, with the current legislation requiring the next review to start as soon as 2028 so as to report in 2031, any seat redistribution to reflect changes made to the franchise would be left until then. |
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Post by islington on Dec 1, 2023 22:27:07 GMT
Given how many different nationals we have, will the 'official' ones matter? I'm assuming the media will use them, but perhaps not the media who have collated their own. I wonder how long these boundaries will actually last anyway. If Labour win the election and extend the general election franchise to EU nationals then another huge shake up will be required with seats redistributed to Greater London in particular. Is that something they're likely to do? |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Dec 1, 2023 22:32:59 GMT
I wonder how long these boundaries will actually last anyway. If Labour win the election and extend the general election franchise to EU nationals then another huge shake up will be required with seats redistributed to Greater London in particular. Is that something they're likely to do? And why extend citizens' rights to one particular set of non-citizens?
FGS, it's simple. If you want the rights of citizenship, BECOME A CITIZEN.
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Dec 2, 2023 8:37:52 GMT
Are these notionals for the new seats not out yet? I have written to the political editors of BBC News, ITV News and Sky News reminding them that in 2007, the notionals came out three months AFTER the boundary commission reports. The most recent communciation I got was that the broadcasters were "not in agreement" about something and that that was holding up publication, during which time, as has been noted, Electoral Calculus, Britain Elects and our own contributions have been published instead. |
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Post by minionofmidas on Dec 2, 2023 17:34:21 GMT
Given how many different nationals we have four? |
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Post by evergreenadam on Dec 2, 2023 21:33:24 GMT
Is that something they're likely to do? I’m no expert on Labour Party policy but I believe it has been their position, whether that means it will be a priority for legislation is another matter. If one was of a cynical disposition then one might argue that it was in their electoral interests to get it done asap so that a boundary review could commence on the new electorate totals. And why extend citizens' rights to one particular set of non-citizens?
FGS, it's simple. If you want the rights of citizenship, BECOME A CITIZEN.
You clearly wouldn’t like the existing general election franchise then, which allows Irish and Commonwealth citizens to vote but not those from the EU.
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Post by maxque on Dec 2, 2023 22:59:32 GMT
Is that something they're likely to do? I’m no expert on Labour Party policy but I believe it has been their position, whether that means it will be a priority for legislation is another matter. If one was of a cynical disposition then one might argue that it was in their electoral interests to get it done asap so that a boundary review could commence on the new electorate totals. And why extend citizens' rights to one particular set of non-citizens?
FGS, it's simple. If you want the rights of citizenship, BECOME A CITIZEN.
You clearly wouldn’t like the existing general election franchise then, which allows Irish and Commonwealth citizens to vote but not those from the EU.
The problem there is that the current system is a racket. It is quite expensive and it makes wealth Conservative voting potential citizens way more likely to become citizens than poor Labour voting potential citizens. |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Dec 2, 2023 23:49:01 GMT
And why extend citizens' rights to one particular set of non-citizens?FGS, it's simple. If you want the rights of citizenship, BECOME A CITIZEN.
You clearly wouldn’t like the existing general election franchise then, which allows Irish and Commonwealth citizens to vote but not those from the EU.
Correct. The franchise should be an adult citizen franchise. Gaining the franchise should be one of the benefits you gain by gaining citizenship. All citizens rights that are thrown indiscriminately at non-citizens just devalues citizenship and those rights. What the absolute *****ing point is it to slog through all the details and hoops and expense of gaining citizenship if once you get there you're in exactly the same point as you were before?
A quick Google for "Universal Adult Franchise" and "Universal Franchise" results in almost all results stating "... right to cast a vote to every adult citizen..." so it seems that in general political thought it is seen that having to be a citizen is the norm. Plus, having to be an adult.
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Dec 3, 2023 7:12:17 GMT
United Kingdom population: 67 million (2020)
Population of Orkney, Shetland, Anglesey and Isle of Wight: 22,200 (2019), 23,200 (2019), 70,043 (2019), 143,000 (2019) = 258,443
United Kingdom population - reserved constituencies = 66,741,557
Average population per unreserved constituency = 103,476
Range: no constituency lower than 98,302 population and no higher than 108,650.
Birmingham = 11 constituencies
Leeds = 8 constituencies
North Yorkshire = 6 constituencies
Somerset = 6 constituencies
Smallest district to be entitled to a constituency: Mid Suffolk
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Post by johnloony on Dec 3, 2023 10:42:24 GMT
United Kingdom population: 67 million (2020) Population of Orkney, Shetland, Anglesey and Isle of Wight: 22,200 (2019), 23,200 (2019), 70,043 (2019), 143,000 (2019) = 258,443 United Kingdom population - reserved constituencies = 66,741,557 Average population per unreserved constituency = 103,476 Range: no constituency lower than 98,302 population and no higher than 108,650. Birmingham = 11 constituencies Leeds = 8 constituencies North Yorkshire = 6 constituencies Somerset = 6 constituencies Smallest district to be entitled to a constituency: Mid Suffolk You have omitted Western Isles from your calculations P.S. Your calculations also assume that the population of the UK is 67,000,000, which it isn’t. In the 2021 census it was more like 66,966,000 ish |
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Dec 3, 2023 11:41:48 GMT
United Kingdom population: 67 million (2020) Population of Orkney, Shetland, Anglesey and Isle of Wight: 22,200 (2019), 23,200 (2019), 70,043 (2019), 143,000 (2019) = 258,443 United Kingdom population - reserved constituencies = 66,741,557 Average population per unreserved constituency = 103,476 Range: no constituency lower than 98,302 population and no higher than 108,650. Birmingham = 11 constituencies Leeds = 8 constituencies North Yorkshire = 6 constituencies Somerset = 6 constituencies Smallest district to be entitled to a constituency: Mid Suffolk You have omitted Western Isles from your calculations P.S. Your calculations also assume that the population of the UK is 67,000,000, which it isn’t. In the 2021 census it was more like 66,966,000 ish That is easily corrected. Western Isles poulation is 27,200 = 285,643 minus UK population = 66,714,357 / 645 = 103,433 = 98,261 to 108,604 |
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Post by The Bishop on Dec 3, 2023 12:11:07 GMT
With the order placing the new constituency boundaries into force having taken effect two days ago, this review is definitively and finally finished. To which we can only say - huzzah! |
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