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Post by IceAgeComing on Nov 2, 2023 22:25:04 GMT
Needless to say, that applies to more than just this rather narrow topic. Even so, that so many could readily believe the government had messed this up tells its own story - though you might not want to admit this. I actually think it says more about the people who believe it than the government itself. Mainly because this sort of procedure is the kind of formality that it’s left to civil servants to administer (as are most things in government for that matter). There are many reasons to fault this government, but failing to perform simple administrative tasks is not actually one of them. Most of the things that are “not working” to use the chosen phrase are a result of long-term trends, lack of strategic thinking, and an inability for the state to accept reform. They’re not down to some middle-ranking minister forgetting which way up to hold a pen. This is right - but also the reason things like this will often slip late is more because the people responsible for submitting also probably have a million other things to do that have earlier deadlines and considering the likelihood of an election before these come into force is minimal there's no real pressure to do things earlier. I actually think that had these gone through the process earlier it'd have suggested the government were looking at an election sooner rather than later which would have made very little sense. I probably would disagree with you on who to put the blame for on the things you mention: I would personally blame the current party of government for a lot of the things you mention: although the blame probably applies to Ministers in post ten years ago rather than those currently there dealing with the problems. |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Nov 3, 2023 9:16:35 GMT
It's also the case that there's no particular reward for those tasked with submitting the order in doing it early; so there's no need to prioritise it any more than is necessary to just hit the deadline.
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Post by ilerda on Nov 3, 2023 9:23:13 GMT
I actually think it says more about the people who believe it than the government itself. Mainly because this sort of procedure is the kind of formality that it’s left to civil servants to administer (as are most things in government for that matter). There are many reasons to fault this government, but failing to perform simple administrative tasks is not actually one of them. Most of the things that are “not working” to use the chosen phrase are a result of long-term trends, lack of strategic thinking, and an inability for the state to accept reform. They’re not down to some middle-ranking minister forgetting which way up to hold a pen. I probably would disagree with you on who to put the blame for on the things you mention: I would personally blame the current party of government for a lot of the things you mention: although the blame probably applies to Ministers in post ten years ago rather than those currently there dealing with the problems. My point wasn't that ministers/politicians aren't to blame (although I agree it's often their predecessors we should really thank), but that these problems are not a result of low-level administrative incompetence by them. They're much larger, strategic problems of a different kind to forgetting to submit some paperwork or tick the right box on a form. |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Nov 3, 2023 10:47:10 GMT
I'll be as tactful as I can: many of us on this forum are nerds, obsessives, very interested to a greater degree than the general public, and dare I say, autistic in our approach to a rather niche subject, so of course we might sense a degree of importance in submitting the Report that those close to the subject might not.
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Post by johnloony on Nov 3, 2023 11:31:43 GMT
A few days ago I emailed my MP (Sarah Jones) to ask her to check if it's true that the new boundaries have not yet been submitted to the Privy Council, and that the government has missed the statutory timetable for doing so.
Because of the subject matter, I also copied the email to my notional MP on the new boundaries (Chris Philp). So far, I have received a reply from him but not her - he merely told me the correct thing which is that I shoul;d wait for a reply from her not him, because she's still my MP. It will be curious to see how long I have to wait.
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Post by johnloony on Nov 6, 2023 18:00:22 GMT
I had not yet got a reply from my MP Sarah Jones about the boundaries question, but this morning ai met her by chance on the train into London - so I asked her if there is any update. As I suspected, she doesn’t know any more than we do. She wasn’t even sure which government department it’s supposed to be done by.
Then this afternoon (whether by coincidence or not) I got an email reply from her office, saying that she has written to Croydon Council to ask if they are prepared for the new constituency boundaries (not anything about the Privy Council). Whoever sent the email (not Sarah herself, I guess) thus seems to have misunderstood or missed the point about the Privy Council deadline.
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Nov 7, 2023 16:13:04 GMT
Whoever sent the email (not Sarah herself, I guess) thus seems to have misunderstood or missed the point about the Privy Council deadline. Or is an over worked caseworker trying their best to satisfy a slightly eccentric constituent. |
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Post by evergreenadam on Nov 7, 2023 17:35:48 GMT
I had not yet got a reply from my MP Sarah Jones about the boundaries question, but this morning ai met her by chance on the train into London - so I asked her if there is any update. As I suspected, she doesn’t know any more than we do. She wasn’t even sure which government department it’s supposed to be done by. Then this afternoon (whether by coincidence or not) I got an email reply from her office, saying that she has written to Croydon Council to ask if they are prepared for the new constituency boundaries (not anything about the Privy Council). Whoever sent the email (not Sarah herself, I guess) thus seems to have misunderstood or missed the point about the Privy Council deadline. This Government can’t do anything right! |
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Post by islington on Nov 7, 2023 17:44:21 GMT
A few days ago I emailed my MP (Sarah Jones) to ask her to check if it's true that the new boundaries have not yet been submitted to the Privy Council, and that the government has missed the statutory timetable for doing so. Because of the subject matter, I also copied the email to my notional MP on the new boundaries (Chris Philp). So far, I have received a reply from him but not her - he merely told me the correct thing which is that I shoul;d wait for a reply from her not him, because she's still my MP. It will be curious to see how long I have to wait. The obligation under s2 of the Parliamentary Constituencies Act 2020 is to submit a draft Order in Council giving effect to the changes. We are assured that this has been done.
So we now await a meeting of the Privy Council to consider, and we assume to adopt, the draft Order. Council meetings can be convened at any time, but they tend to be held monthly around the middle of the month.
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Post by johnloony on Nov 7, 2023 20:06:15 GMT
Whoever sent the email (not Sarah herself, I guess) thus seems to have misunderstood or missed the point about the Privy Council deadline. Or is an over worked caseworker trying their best to satisfy a slightly eccentric constituent. ”Slightly”?!? |
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Nov 7, 2023 20:10:30 GMT
Good news, my MP, Ben Lake, has replied to a message I sent today asking the same thing and says that he will table an oral / written question to the Leveling up Secretary to establish precisely what is happening / has happened.
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Nov 7, 2023 20:55:31 GMT
Or is an over worked caseworker trying their best to satisfy a slightly eccentric constituent. ”Slightly”?!? Yes, despite joining the Conservative Party there’s definitely been a decline in your eccentricity since you left the OMRLP. 😉 |
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Post by woollyliberal on Nov 8, 2023 8:43:48 GMT
Whoever sent the email (not Sarah herself, I guess) thus seems to have misunderstood or missed the point about the Privy Council deadline. Or is an over worked caseworker trying their best to satisfy a slightly eccentric constituent. Or perhaps the caseworker can't get an answer from government so is trying a different approach. Maybe the council has heard something that they haven't. |
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Post by johnloony on Nov 8, 2023 15:28:38 GMT
Or is an over worked caseworker trying their best to satisfy a slightly eccentric constituent. Or perhaps the caseworker can't get an answer from government so is trying a different approach. Maybe the council has heard something that they haven't. It may be that someone in Sarah Jones's office sent the reply email coincidentally on the same day that I met Sarah Jones by chance on the train. It may be that my encounter with her on the train was what prompted her or her staff to remember to reply to the email. In any case, I have emailed the Acting Returning Officer at Croydon council to ask him if he knows anything (mainly so that he will understand why Sarah Jones's office has passed on my query to him). He replied |
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Post by greatkingrat on Nov 8, 2023 15:29:57 GMT
Why don't you try emailing the King to ask when he next intends to hold a Privy Council meeting?
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Nov 8, 2023 15:31:32 GMT
Why don't you try emailing the King to ask when he next intends to hold a Privy Council meeting? You know one of us would try...... |
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Post by johnloony on Nov 8, 2023 15:41:37 GMT
Why don't you try emailing the King to ask when he next intends to hold a Privy Council meeting? 1. Because I don't know the King's email address (although I could write a letter, I suppose) 2. Because the date of the next PC meeting is not the question. What matters is what is going to be on the agenda for that meeting. |
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Post by Crimson King on Nov 8, 2023 17:55:29 GMT
would the lord president of the council know?
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Post by minionofmidas on Nov 9, 2023 4:34:50 GMT
Why don't you try emailing the King to ask when he next intends to hold a Privy Council meeting? This is a question best asked in person. |
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Post by manchesterman on Nov 9, 2023 10:19:19 GMT
I almost forgot about this till it popped up in my work Mailbox Calendar for tomorrow. I'm attending an online meeting on Friday (with over 100 others I believe) with one of the HoC Clerk Assistants. It will be quite dry stuff about how HMRC interacts with HoC etc and I only get to 'attend' because my boss and her boss really werent interested  If I get the chance I will drop in a question about the timetable etc for the new boundaries. She may not know (or not wish to discuss , as it would be out of scope really) but worth asking  |
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