ilerda
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Post by ilerda on Jan 17, 2021 11:39:16 GMT
Leaving Rutland and Melton aside for obvious reasons, and if we ignore Stockton South because the regional boundary doesn’t follow the ceremonial county boundary, I think Bristol North West and Leominster both crossed ceremonial county boundaries until 2010.
It’s much harder to name a recent constituency that was created as a county-crossing constituency.
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piperdave
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Post by piperdave on Jan 17, 2021 15:33:54 GMT
Dumfriesshire, Clydesdale and Tweeddale encompassess parts of three pre-1974 counties (Dumfriesshire, Lanarkshire and Peeblesshire), three Scottish Regions (D&G, Strathclyde and Borders) and three current UAs.
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Post by islington on Jan 17, 2021 15:54:38 GMT
Leaving Rutland and Melton aside for obvious reasons, and if we ignore Stockton South because the regional boundary doesn’t follow the ceremonial county boundary, I think Bristol North West and Leominster both crossed ceremonial county boundaries until 2010. It’s much harder to name a recent constituency that was created as a county-crossing constituency. In England, certainly. Apart from seats involving Rutland, I don't think there have been any since 1918.
Prior to 1918, there were a number of Parliamentary Boroughs (or divisions thereof) that extended over two Parliamentary Counties.
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Post by islington on Jan 18, 2021 11:27:58 GMT
I'm getting confused about the exact areas in which we are awaiting mapping and numbers for new wards. I know that several London boroughs fall in this category (for which reason I've held off from London altogether); also the Unitaries in Nhants, Bucks and Wilts. But I've an uneasy feeling there are more. Is there a definitive list somewhere?
Edited to add: And Scotland of course. But the NI map and numbers are now final - is that right? And I've completely lost track of Wales.
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Jan 18, 2021 12:57:46 GMT
It’s much harder to name a recent constituency that was created as a county-crossing constituency. Merthyr Tydfil and Rhymney. |
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Post by Andrew_S on Jan 20, 2021 19:20:57 GMT
Trying to work out why I've waited two weeks to start using Boundary Assistant when I've had nothing of interest to do since then.   |
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Post by bjornhattan on Jan 20, 2021 19:44:37 GMT
I'm getting confused about the exact areas in which we are awaiting mapping and numbers for new wards. I know that several London boroughs fall in this category (for which reason I've held off from London altogether); also the Unitaries in Nhants, Bucks and Wilts. But I've an uneasy feeling there are more. Is there a definitive list somewhere?
Edited to add: And Scotland of course. But the NI map and numbers are now final - is that right? And I've completely lost track of Wales.
I don't have a full list, but another authority currently missing is the Isle of Wight. |
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Post by Andrew_S on Jan 21, 2021 10:15:56 GMT
For some reason Boundary Assistant has just stopped working for me on Opera but I've switched to Firefox and it's working okay. Probably something to do with the version of Opera I'm using or the fact that my laptop is getting old.
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Post by kevinlarkin on Jan 21, 2021 17:17:32 GMT
For some reason Boundary Assistant has just stopped working for me on Opera but I've switched to Firefox and it's working okay. Probably something to do with the version of Opera I'm using or the fact that my laptop is getting old. Suppported browsers are Firefox, Chrome and Edge (Windows); Safari, Firefox and Chrome (macOS). I used to test changes on Opera but usage is less than 1% these days. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2021 17:25:32 GMT
Bristol East crosses the Avon, therefore straddling Gloucestershire and Somerset
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Post by kevinlarkin on Jan 21, 2021 17:54:05 GMT
I'm getting confused about the exact areas in which we are awaiting mapping and numbers for new wards. I know that several London boroughs fall in this category (for which reason I've held off from London altogether); also the Unitaries in Nhants, Bucks and Wilts. But I've an uneasy feeling there are more. Is there a definitive list somewhere?
Edited to add: And Scotland of course. But the NI map and numbers are now final - is that right? And I've completely lost track of Wales.
This is all that I am aware of. New unitaries: Bucks, N Northants, W Northants. The new wards are the county electoral divisions in all three cases. Unitaries with 2021 boundary changes: Cornwall, Isle of Wight, Wiltshire. There is a minor change in Northumberlnd with parishes exchanged between two electoral divisions. London Boroughs: Barnet,Brent,Camden,Ealing,Hammersmith and Fulham,Haringey,Harrow,Hillingdon,Hounslow,Islington,Merton,Richmond upon Thames,Sutton,Westminster (we already have the prospective ward electorates for Enfield and Lewisham). There are ongoing local ward boundary reviews in Scotland and Wales but as far as I can tell no Statutory Instruments involving ward boundary changes have been made since 2017 in Scotland and 2016 in Wales. For Northern Ireland I don't know if there is any provision for interim ward boundary reviews. The previous set were unchanged between 1995 and 2012. |
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Post by Andrew_S on Jan 21, 2021 19:38:29 GMT
If anyone is starting this now I'd encourage them to do it without looking at anyone else's plans because if you do you probably won't be able to avoid being influenced by them and you won't come up with any original/unusual ideas that will probably be no good but might just be worthwhile. Once you've finished by all means look at what other people have done and learn from their ideas.
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Post by greenhert on Jan 21, 2021 20:00:23 GMT
Bristol East crosses the Avon, therefore straddling Gloucestershire and Somerset Yes, but metropolitan constituencies can be fairly excluded from the list of "cross-county constituencies" given how rivers served as unifying points for major cities. |
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Post by Foggy on Jan 22, 2021 7:09:30 GMT
Bristol East crosses the Avon, therefore straddling Gloucestershire and Somerset Yes, but metropolitan constituencies can be fairly excluded from the list of "cross-county constituencies" given how rivers served as unifying points for major cities. Bristol south of the Avon falls under the jurisdiction of Somerset County Cricket Club. Whether anybody considers it part of Somerset for any further purposes is up to them. Certainly it'd be preferable to have seats in the city whose boundaries don't cross the river, but in this numbers game you can't go in ruling it out before you try to draw them, especially when you consider the size of ward electorates in the more populous cities. |
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Post by robert1 on Jan 22, 2021 7:32:32 GMT
Bristol is historically 'The city and county of Bristol'
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Post by YL on Jan 22, 2021 7:56:47 GMT
Bristol East crosses the Avon, therefore straddling Gloucestershire and Somerset In terms of historic counties there must be masses of them. Just involving Yorkshire: Brigg & Goole Don Valley Sheffield South East Sheffield Heeley Sheffield Central (a tiny sliver is historically Derbyshire) Sheffield Hallam Stalybridge & Hyde (the town of Mossley is split between three historic counties, which is reflected in the town council's ward names) Oldham East & Saddleworth (as they will never tire of reminding you) Calder Valley Pendle Ribble Valley Westmorland & Lonsdale (another three historic county seat) Bishop Auckland Stockton South |
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Post by John Chanin on Jan 22, 2021 8:51:11 GMT
If anyone is starting this now I'd encourage them to do it without looking at anyone else's plans because if you do you probably won't be able to avoid being influenced by them and you won't come up with any original/unusual ideas that will probably be no good but might just be worthwhile. Once you've finished by all means look at what other people have done and learn from their ideas. Exactly what I’m doing. But I haven’t finished a region yet, as each one I’ve started I run into a problem that I can’t find a reasonably sensible answer to, and have put it aside. I’ll have another try at South Gloucestershire today which is stopping completion of south-west. I have a solution for the Black Country and Staffs but don’t like it, so need to have what will be a fourth try...... |
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Post by evergreenadam on Jan 22, 2021 11:57:40 GMT
I'm getting confused about the exact areas in which we are awaiting mapping and numbers for new wards. I know that several London boroughs fall in this category (for which reason I've held off from London altogether); also the Unitaries in Nhants, Bucks and Wilts. But I've an uneasy feeling there are more. Is there a definitive list somewhere?
Edited to add: And Scotland of course. But the NI map and numbers are now final - is that right? And I've completely lost track of Wales.
This is all that I am aware of. New unitaries: Bucks, N Northants, W Northants. The new wards are the county electoral divisions in all three cases. Unitaries with 2021 boundary changes: Cornwall, Isle of Wight, Wiltshire. There is a minor change in Northumberlnd with parishes exchanged between two electoral divisions. London Boroughs: Barnet,Brent,Camden,Ealing,Hammersmith and Fulham,Haringey,Harrow,Hillingdon,Hounslow,Islington,Merton,Richmond upon Thames,Sutton,Westminster (we already have the prospective ward electorates for Enfield and Lewisham). There are ongoing local ward boundary reviews in Scotland and Wales but as far as I can tell no Statutory Instruments involving ward boundary changes have been made since 2017 in Scotland and 2016 in Wales. For Northern Ireland I don't know if there is any provision for interim ward boundary reviews. The previous set were unchanged between 1995 and 2012. For London ward boundaries will also be revised for the following but the Orders won’t have been passed in time to use them for the draft recommendations is that right? Kingston Wandsworth Lambeth Bromley Greenwich Waltham Forest Newham Barking and Dagenham Havering |
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Post by Foggy on Jan 23, 2021 8:21:39 GMT
Bristol East crosses the Avon, therefore straddling Gloucestershire and Somerset In terms of historic counties there must be masses of them. Just involving Yorkshire: Bishop Auckland That's the only seat on your list that jumped out at me as somewhere I'm not immediately aware of as a place whose current administrative county doesn't entirely overlap with its traditional one. Must be only a tiny slither of historic North Yorkshire in Dehennaland? |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Jan 23, 2021 8:32:55 GMT
In terms of historic counties there must be masses of them. Just involving Yorkshire: Bishop Auckland That's the only seat on your list that jumped out at me as somewhere I'm not immediately aware of as a place whose current administrative county doesn't entirely overlap with its traditional one. Must be only a tiny slither of historic North Yorkshire in Dehennaland? Pretty much everything in the seat south of the Tees, so that's the bulk of the area of Barnard Castle West ward and about a third of the area of Barnard Castle East ward. |
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