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Post by nodealbrexiteer on Jan 5, 2021 21:10:02 GMT
I'm happy to wait for Messrs Rallings and Thrasher to do their stuff  |
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Post by wisconsina on Jan 5, 2021 21:36:24 GMT
John, I'm not sure what you're saying here.
If you're saying that the legislation should be amended to drop the reference to regions, then I can see a case for that (although I'm still not completely persuaded because the regions help ensure that we get the right number of seats in each part of England and don't end up with, say, larger-than-average seats all over the north and smaller-than-average across the south (or vice versa)).
But as matters stand, the regions are set out in detail in the legislation. Are you proposing that the BCE should use its discretion to ignore them? If so, I disagree: the fact that the regions are specified in statute is a very strong Parliamentary hint to the BCE that they should be used, and I think the BCE would be ill advised to ignore that (although I accept that it would technically be within its rights ).
I thought the reference to the regions had been removed, and the regions have generally no longer a statutory basis. However if they are in the legislation, then yes I agree with you that they will have to be used. The Euro-Regions (though abolished as European Parliamentary constituencies, given UK is no longer in EU) were quite deliberately reinstated for Parliamentary boundary review purposes, by an Order. Schedule 2 to the European Parliamentary Elections Etc. (Repeal, Revocation, Amendment and Saving Provisions) (United Kingdom and Gibraltar) (EU Exit) Regulations 2018 (amended by the Schedule to the Parliamentary Constituencies Act 2020, i.e. to include Blackpool) www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2018/1310/made |
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Post by Wisconsin on Jan 5, 2021 23:23:26 GMT
Probably best to remind ourselves off the five factors (six for England) the commissions may take into account:
5 (1) A Boundary Commission may take into account, if and to such extent as they think fit—
(a) special geographical considerations, including in particular the size, shape and accessibility of a constituency
(b) local government boundaries which exist, or are prospective, on the review date;
(c) boundaries of existing constituencies;
(d) any local ties that would be broken by changes in constituencies;
(e) the inconveniences attendant on such changes.
(2) The Boundary Commission for England may take into account, if and to such extent as they think fit, boundaries of the English regions specified in sub-paragraph (2A) as they exist on the most recent ordinary council-election day before the review date.
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Post by Andrew_S on Jan 5, 2021 23:41:19 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2021 12:48:25 GMT
Am I being thick or is there a discrepancy between the England total given on the ward breakdown on the BCE website and the states figure that's being used? And does anyone know what the UK-wide quota is?
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Post by Andrew_S on Jan 6, 2021 16:27:13 GMT
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Post by therealriga on Jan 6, 2021 19:29:42 GMT
Though arguably that's only a GB quota. Northern Ireland has extra flexibility: a lower figure of 68,313 is possible. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2021 19:20:10 GMT
How do you add the images to a post? I'm doing exactly what the help page says to and the image isn't showing up
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Post by greenchristian on Jan 9, 2021 19:32:59 GMT
How do you add the images to a post? I'm doing exactly what the help page says to and the image isn't showing up If you're trying to add them as an attachment, we can't do that anymore, AdminSTB removed that option a few months back when it turned out that the forum had used up most of the available filespace. If you're trying to add images hosted elsewhere, I've had a similar problem (images hosted on my own website show up when I'm editing but not in the finished post, even though the html seems to be there to display the images when I look at the page source). |
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Post by andrewp on Jan 17, 2021 0:03:43 GMT
Many of the regional maps are proposing seats that cross shire county borders across Eg Suffolk/ Norfolk, Berks/ Oxfordshire.
When were there last constituencies which crossed shire county borders?
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Post by edgbaston on Jan 17, 2021 0:45:08 GMT
Many of the regional maps are proposing seats that cross shire county borders across Eg Suffolk/ Norfolk, Berks/ Oxfordshire. When were there last constituencies which crossed shire county borders? Rutland & Melton. Stockton South |
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Post by Foggy on Jan 17, 2021 6:46:49 GMT
Many of the regional maps are proposing seats that cross shire county borders across Eg Suffolk/ Norfolk, Berks/ Oxfordshire. When were there last constituencies which crossed shire county borders? Rutland & Melton. Stockton South Not to mention (in England alone) Westmorland & Lonsdale, Oldham East & Saddleworth, High Peak, Calder Valley, Pendle, Halton, Warrington South... |
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Post by John Chanin on Jan 17, 2021 10:21:50 GMT
Many of the regional maps are proposing seats that cross shire county borders across Eg Suffolk/ Norfolk, Berks/ Oxfordshire. When were there last constituencies which crossed shire county borders? Ignoring the idiotic traditional county enthusiasts, what has changed is the + 5% requirement which makes cross-county constituencies obligatory. I expect the Boundary Commission to try and minimise them, and subsequent arguments in the consultation that the pattern of seats they produce as a result are decidedly sub-optimal. |
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Post by The Bishop on Jan 17, 2021 10:46:29 GMT
Many of the regional maps are proposing seats that cross shire county borders across Eg Suffolk/ Norfolk, Berks/ Oxfordshire. When were there last constituencies which crossed shire county borders? Rutland & Melton. Stockton South I don't think that the post-1974 county boundaries have been breached until now? |
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Post by andrewp on Jan 17, 2021 10:51:05 GMT
Rutland & Melton. Stockton South I don't think that the post-1974 county boundaries have been breached until now? No I thought that, hence my question. I guess you could argue for Rutland and Melton. The pre 1983 Colne Valley crossed Greater Manchester and West Yorkshire I think. |
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Post by edgbaston on Jan 17, 2021 10:52:49 GMT
Rutland & Melton. Stockton South I don't think that the post-1974 county boundaries have been breached until now? Since 74 Cleveland has been abolished, and Rutland regained independence. So these are now technically splits of shire counties. As is Brigg and Goole come to think of it. |
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Post by greenchristian on Jan 17, 2021 11:01:59 GMT
I don't think that the post-1974 county boundaries have been breached until now? Since 74 Cleveland has been abolished, and Rutland regained independence. So these are now technically splits of shire counties. As is Brigg and Goole come to think of it. Also Leominster was a cross-county constituency from 1998 (when Herefordshire and Worcestershire were split) to 2010. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jan 17, 2021 11:08:13 GMT
I don't think that the post-1974 county boundaries have been breached until now? No I thought that, hence my question. I guess you could argue for Rutland and Melton. The pre 1983 Colne Valley crossed Greater Manchester and West Yorkshire I think. The pre-1983 seats crossed post-1974 boundaries all over the place as they were drawn up before those counties existed. The Newton seat contained parts of Greater Manchester, Merseyside and Cheshire |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jan 17, 2021 11:33:45 GMT
Skipton - West Yorkshire, North Yorkshire, Lancashire, Cumbria
Goole - Humberside, North Yorkshire, West Yorkshire, South Yorkishire
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