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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Sept 11, 2021 7:43:10 GMT
Giving the IoW a special status was not necessary (after all it had always belonged to Hants), but understandable. Ynys Mon is really unnecessary - i wonder, when Arran will get one, too... Skye? Sheppey? Scilly? And why are Orkney and Shetland forced to share an MP when they could have one each?
Maybe Papa Westray knows why.
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Post by yellowperil on Sept 11, 2021 7:44:35 GMT
Giving the IoW a special status was not necessary (after all it had always belonged to Hants), but understandable. Ynys Mon is really unnecessary - i wonder, when Arran will get one, too... Skye? Sheppey? Scilly? And why are Orkney and Shetland forced to share an MP when they could have one each? Now you are just getting Scilly.... |
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Sept 11, 2021 7:46:36 GMT
Skye? Sheppey? Scilly? And why are Orkney and Shetland forced to share an MP when they could have one each? Now you are just getting Scilly....
Not if it's on Holy (Island) orders.
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Post by yellowperil on Sept 11, 2021 7:53:51 GMT
Skye? Sheppey? Scilly? And why are Orkney and Shetland forced to share an MP when they could have one each?
Maybe Papa Westray knows why.
But it wouldn't be Fair Isle. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2021 8:00:48 GMT
Giving the IoW a special status was not necessary (after all it had always belonged to Hants), but understandable. Ynys Mon is really unnecessary - i wonder, when Arran will get one, too... Skye? Sheppey? Scilly? And why are Orkney and Shetland forced to share an MP when they could have one each? They do for the Scottish Parliament! |
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Post by The Bishop on Sept 11, 2021 9:37:41 GMT
Giving the IoW a special status was not necessary (after all it had always belonged to Hants), but understandable. Ynys Mon is really unnecessary - i wonder, when Arran will get one, too... Though it was (unlike the IoW) always a county in its own right, and has been a stand alone parliamentary seat for literally centuries. Not saying that alone justifies it having "special" status now, but it puts it in a different category to Arran or other examples mentioned. |
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Sept 11, 2021 11:32:51 GMT
Does the Old Man of Hoy get his own seat?
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Sept 11, 2021 11:34:02 GMT
Giving the IoW a special status was not necessary (after all it had always belonged to Hants), but understandable. Ynys Mon is really unnecessary - i wonder, when Arran will get one, too... Skye? Sheppey? Scilly? And why are Orkney and Shetland forced to share an MP when they could have one each? Thanet? Ely? |
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Post by finsobruce on Sept 11, 2021 11:50:49 GMT
Does the Old Man of Hoy get his own seat? The argument in favour just doesn't stack up. |
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Post by johnloony on Sept 12, 2021 9:47:22 GMT
Parliament should have an electoral-college type system. One parliamentary constituency for each inhabited island. The MP has a block vote in proportion to the population of that island. There are about 120 or so such islands, so a suitably substantial number would be elected. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_islands_of_the_British_Isles |
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Sept 16, 2021 9:17:09 GMT
As I am sure everyone must have heard yesterday the new Con party chairman told his troops "“You can’t fatten a pig on market day, It’s time to go to our offices and prepare for the next election" with the additional information that The working assumption inside Number 10 is that Boris Johnson will go to the country in May or June 2024. However, The Telegraph understands he is also eyeing up a year earlier – May or June 2023 which therefore poses the question is this yet ANOTHER set of boundary changes that will be cancelled. www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/09/15/exclusive-get-ready-general-election-says-oliver-dowden/ |
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Post by islington on Sept 16, 2021 9:21:51 GMT
As I am sure everyone must have heard yesterday the new Con party chairman told his troops "“You can’t fatten a pig on market day, It’s time to go to our offices and prepare for the next election" with the additional information that The working assumption inside Number 10 is that Boris Johnson will go to the country in May or June 2024. However, The Telegraph understands he is also eyeing up a year earlier – May or June 2023 which therefore poses the question is this yet ANOTHER set of boundary changes that will be cancelled. www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/09/15/exclusive-get-ready-general-election-says-oliver-dowden/Well, absent further legislation they wouldn't be cancelled; but it would mean that they wouldn't be used until the GE after next. |
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Post by islington on Sept 16, 2021 11:16:06 GMT
Just to add that the Orders in Council, giving effect to the recommendations, are supposed to be made no more than four months after the various Commissions present their reports to Parliament. If all goes to plan, that works out as 1 Nov 2023. So, assuming that in normal circumstances (i.e. not those of late 2019) we shall not be having a GE in November or December, that means that if the next GE is held in 2023 (or sooner) it will be on the current boundaries, and on the new ones if in 2024 or (just about conceivably) very early 2025.
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Post by Peter Wilkinson on Sept 16, 2021 12:18:57 GMT
Just to add that the Orders in Council, giving effect to the recommendations, are supposed to be made no more than four months after the various Commissions present their reports to Parliament. If all goes to plan, that works out as 1 Nov 2023. So, assuming that in normal circumstances (i.e. not those of late 2019) we shall not be having a GE in November or December, that means that if the next GE is held in 2023 (or sooner) it will be on the current boundaries, and on the new ones if in 2024 or (just about conceivably) very early 2025. But if the government wishes to hold a GE on the new boundaries in October 2023, what is to stop it causing the Orders in Council to be made in, say, late July 2023 rather than waiting the full four months after the reports are presented? And I'm glad to see that I'm not the only person to have noticed the possibility of the next GE being on 2 or 9 January 2025. |
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Post by islington on Sept 16, 2021 12:59:00 GMT
Just to add that the Orders in Council, giving effect to the recommendations, are supposed to be made no more than four months after the various Commissions present their reports to Parliament. If all goes to plan, that works out as 1 Nov 2023. So, assuming that in normal circumstances (i.e. not those of late 2019) we shall not be having a GE in November or December, that means that if the next GE is held in 2023 (or sooner) it will be on the current boundaries, and on the new ones if in 2024 or (just about conceivably) very early 2025. But if the government wishes to hold a GE on the new boundaries in October 2023, what is to stop it causing the Orders in Council to be made in, say, late July 2023 rather than waiting the full four months after the reports are presented? And I'm glad to see that I'm not the only person to have noticed the possibility of the next GE being on 2 or 9 January 2025. I can't believe 2 January is a serious candidate but 9 or even 16 January are not totally impossible. However, it would make the Gov't appear desperate to delay polling as long as possible so I don't think it will happen.
You're right, though, that it would probably be possible to arrange for a GE on the new boundaries in autumn 2023.
I don't know whether anyone is running a book on this but 2 May 2024 must surely be the preferred date.
Does anyone know when we're expecting the initial proposals for Scotland and NI?
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Sept 16, 2021 14:03:31 GMT
But if the government wishes to hold a GE on the new boundaries in October 2023, what is to stop it causing the Orders in Council to be made in, say, late July 2023 rather than waiting the full four months after the reports are presented? And I'm glad to see that I'm not the only person to have noticed the possibility of the next GE being on 2 or 9 January 2025. I can't believe 2 January is a serious candidate but 9 or even 16 January are not totally impossible. However, it would make the Gov't appear desperate to delay polling as long as possible so I don't think it will happen.
You're right, though, that it would probably be possible to arrange for a GE on the new boundaries in autumn 2023.
I don't know whether anyone is running a book on this but 2 May 2024 must surely be the preferred date.
Does anyone know when we're expecting the initial proposals for Scotland and NI?
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Post by robert1 on Sept 16, 2021 14:05:30 GMT
The dates for both Scotland and NI are yet to be confirmed but Scotland is likely to be mid October
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Sept 16, 2021 14:31:21 GMT
Is there a reason it's taking so long?
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Post by hullenedge on Oct 19, 2021 15:14:58 GMT
A bit of leeway with the final figures and according to these calculations Con require a 5% lead for an overall majority.
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Post by ilerda on Oct 19, 2021 15:24:53 GMT
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