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Post by london(ex)tory on Nov 23, 2024 16:53:06 GMT
There's no way on earth that I'm going to subject myself to the ignorant hatred of Fox News, the closed minded weaponised nostalgia of GBNews, the extreme angry everything of Talk TV, or any of the rest of it. They're not news channels, they're biased propaganda sewer pipes. I read the Guardian, I watch BBC News, and that's the end of it. And look at the gibbering wreck that approach has turned you into. Perfect example of why a broader sense of perspective is not just welcome, but essential. |
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Post by finsobruce on Nov 23, 2024 17:13:46 GMT
I'm trying to remember but it was 40 years ago I recall one verse that was along the lines of Achtung Minen [some other phrase which rhymed with minen] Eat lead kraut Englander schweinhund This would go down very well in Eurovision My
lovely
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Nov 23, 2024 17:17:13 GMT
That's the weird thing about it. It's definitely more democratic than we are, certainly much freer economically, socially and politically, but it's also more oligarchical than we are in many respects, with the federation overarching it all. It's a very interesting system, and it certainly seems to work. Even Mississippi, America's poorest state and their national laughing stock, is wealthier than we are. I'd still take the uk over Mississippi, but certainly it'd be towards the very bottom. If things get majorly bad with Labour and their authoritarianism and tax and spendthriftiness, I would consider emigrating out to the States. I'd prefer Texas, New Hampshire, or Florida over Mississippi, but I wouldn't necessarily turn my nose up at it. I'm a gay man, so family considerations like education, public services etc. don't matter to me as much personally, communally ofc, and Dougie Carswell certainly seems to be having the time of his life out there judging by his tweets. I'd certainly pick it over very liberal states. |
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Post by aargauer on Nov 23, 2024 17:26:52 GMT
I'd still take the uk over Mississippi, but certainly it'd be towards the very bottom. If things get majorly bad with Labour and their authoritarianism and tax and spendthriftiness, I would consider emigrating out to the States. I'd prefer Texas, New Hampshire, or Florida over Mississippi, but I wouldn't necessarily turn my nose up at it. I'm a gay man, so family considerations like education, public services etc. don't matter to me as much personally, communally ofc, and Dougie Carswell certainly seems to be having the time of his life out there judging by his tweets. I'd certainly pick it over very liberal states. It's not easy to get a visa. Depends a lot on one's career. I guess you've got over here available with your language skills as an alternative. |
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Post by iain on Nov 23, 2024 18:14:09 GMT
Democrats can do all the reflection in the world, but fundamentally it is not they who need to reflect. no further questions Still no thoughts on how your free market ideology has slipped from majority support in both parties to a minority position inside just one? Reducing you to support for a man campaigning on a fascistic, but not especially free market, platform, simply to see ‘liberal tears’ (which don’t appear to be forthcoming)? No reflection on how the Republican candidate barely scraped a narrow victory despite historically favourable conditions?This lack of introspection is typical of the modern right. |
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Post by aargauer on Nov 23, 2024 18:40:33 GMT
Still no thoughts on how your free market ideology has slipped from majority support in both parties to a minority position inside just one? Reducing you to support for a man campaigning on a fascistic, but not especially free market, platform, simply to see ‘liberal tears’ (which don’t appear to be forthcoming)? No reflection on how the Republican candidate barely scraped a narrow victory despite historically favourable conditions?This lack of introspection is typical of the modern right. We are aware how painfully difficult selling the necessary medicine is and our limited appeal. Milei only won relatively tightly despite, on any reasonable reading, Peronism killing Argentina. That said, I don't think the situation is as it appears on first viewing. In my little niche, the Democrats presented an educated front, while essentially not understanding or bothering to understand an actual bit of unsexy law that actually matters, and copy and paste factually wrong lobbyist proposals (actual fake news) while several influential republicans (especially Thom Thillis) actually do. The reality is it's more like about 3/4 of the republicans who are acceptably libertarian from an economic perspective, and maybe the odd Democrat. What the democrats need to sort out is their messaging, which was crap. I simply don't believe that someone as fundamentally damaged as Trump who is plainly incapable on multiple fronts is somehow unbeatable. Maga may be a cult, but lots of people who voted R are not cult members. The should have gone for Trump on the economy. Blame him for Covid inflation. Not nothing issues like abortion. And just be more honest. Trump is a habitual liar and the democrats threw the advantage by a transparent lie that Joe Biden was compus mentis. And one or two others (Hunter Bidens various adventures for instance). The republicans are going to have to terms with being a cult without their figurehead so will need a miracle but I really don't see how the democrats can think that was an acceptable performance. Either the result or the campaign. I don't buy your claim that this was fundamentally a naturally Republican win year. Two term presidents are the norm |
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Post by uthacalthing on Nov 23, 2024 18:51:51 GMT
Trumpo has a Trifecta, the Supreme Court for a generation, all charges have been dropped, and the next apportionment will take Electoral College votes from California and New York and give them to Florida and Texas. He can boost the economy by 2% purely by dumping Net Zero. He can free up $bns in defence spending purely by not funding Israel or Ukraine. He can divert the manpower to harassing migrants so no job losses
But like George Best knobbing Miss World I am, being asked to consider where it all went wrong for him
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Post by iain on Nov 23, 2024 23:53:12 GMT
Trumpo has a Trifecta, the Supreme Court for a generation, all charges have been dropped, and the next apportionment will take Electoral College votes from California and New York and give them to Florida and Texas. He can boost the economy by 2% purely by dumping Net Zero. He can free up $bns in defence spending purely by not funding Israel or Ukraine. He can divert the manpower to harassing migrants so no job losses But like George Best knobbing Miss World I am, being asked to consider where it all went wrong for him Nice try. You are being considered to ask where it all went wrong for your free market ideology, and how you ended up supporting a neo-fascist whose main economic policy is massive tariffs and who is appointing a pro-union secretary of labor. You can’t even win a Republican presidential primary. And, btw, ‘scrapping net zero’ and reducing Ukraine aid will both likely result in losses in US factory jobs. |
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Post by riccimarsh on Nov 24, 2024 0:02:46 GMT
Still no thoughts on how your free market ideology has slipped from majority support in both parties to a minority position inside just one? Reducing you to support for a man campaigning on a fascistic, but not especially free market, platform, simply to see ‘liberal tears’ (which don’t appear to be forthcoming)? No reflection on how the Republican candidate barely scraped a narrow victory despite historically favourable conditions?This lack of introspection is typical of the modern right. We are aware how painfully difficult selling the necessary medicine is and our limited appeal. Milei only won relatively tightly despite, on any reasonable reading, Peronism killing Argentina. That said, I don't think the situation is as it appears on first viewing. In my little niche, the Democrats presented an educated front, while essentially not understanding or bothering to understand an actual bit of unsexy law that actually matters, and copy and paste factually wrong lobbyist proposals (actual fake news) while several influential republicans (especially Thom Thillis) actually do. The reality is it's more like about 3/4 of the republicans who are acceptably libertarian from an economic perspective, and maybe the odd Democrat. What the democrats need to sort out is their messaging, which was crap. I simply don't believe that someone as fundamentally damaged as Trump who is plainly incapable on multiple fronts is somehow unbeatable. Maga may be a cult, but lots of people who voted R are not cult members. The should have gone for Trump on the economy. Blame him for Covid inflation. Not nothing issues like abortion. And just be more honest. Trump is a habitual liar and the democrats threw the advantage by a transparent lie that Joe Biden was compus mentis. And one or two others (Hunter Bidens various adventures for instance). The republicans are going to have to terms with being a cult without their figurehead so will need a miracle but I really don't see how the democrats can think that was an acceptable performance. Either the result or the campaign. I don't buy your claim that this was fundamentally a naturally Republican win year. Two term presidents are the norm And since the candidate running for their second term won, the norm has been continued. |
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Post by uthacalthing on Nov 24, 2024 4:11:06 GMT
Nice try. You are being considered to ask where it all went wrong for your free market ideology, and how you ended up supporting a neo-fascist whose main economic policy is massive tariffs and who is appointing a pro-union secretary of labor. You can’t even win a Republican presidential primary. Whoa, whoa, dont rewrite history. I did not support Trumpo. I certainly don't support the GOP. Go on, read back my last 1000 posts. I think the past time I expressed a personal view as opposed to mocking others was in 2016 when I stated that I would have voted Clinton had I been American but would prefer Trump because I was British and didnt fancy a war. 2020 I can't honestly recall having a preference. Maybe given Israel I would have voted Trumpo this time but I think I have made it fairly clear that I think they are all awful. COP29 is making me happy, and I side with Trumpo on that. Do I prefer a clown car to the establishment? I think it may be an essential intereggnum. Like BoJo, who I also did not support. |
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