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Post by markgoodair on Nov 22, 2024 15:04:14 GMT
2024 Presidential Election Has Closest Popular Vote of Any Presidential Election Since 2000.
So far, Donald Trump has 49.86% of the total vote, and Kamala Harris has 48.24%. The margin is 1.62%. This is the first presidential election since 2000 in which the popular vote margin between the two major party candidates is less than 2%.
There will be slight changes as remaining ballots are processed.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2024 16:35:55 GMT
2024 Presidential Election Has Closest Popular Vote of Any Presidential Election Since 2000. So far, Donald Trump has 49.86% of the total vote, and Kamala Harris has 48.24%. The margin is 1.62%. This is the first presidential election since 2000 in which the popular vote margin between the two major party candidates is less than 2%. There will be slight changes as remaining ballots are processed. It was a close election. Not only in the popular vote. Also in the states. Trump won the following states by less than 2%: Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin, Harris won the following state by less than 2%: New Hampshire. |
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Post by riccimarsh on Nov 22, 2024 18:23:50 GMT
Trump’s sentencing in the hush money case has officially been cancelled. So much for “no-one is above the law”.
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Post by johnloony on Nov 22, 2024 19:03:44 GMT
Trump’s sentencing in the hush money case has officially been cancelled. So much for “no-one is above the law”. If the USA had a proper legal system, then Trump would have been convicted and imprisoned for his crimes years ago, well in time to prevent him from being selected as candidate for POTUS again. But then again, if the USA were a proper democracy then ne would never have got near to being selected or elected anyway. |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Nov 22, 2024 19:19:22 GMT
The USA imprisons its poor and pardons its Presidents.
The USA isn't a democratic country.
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Nov 22, 2024 19:20:02 GMT
Trump’s sentencing in the hush money case has officially been cancelled. So much for “no-one is above the law”. A disgraceful decision. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2024 19:25:03 GMT
I'm still getting over losing all my bets on the election, but this is still pretty funny.
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Nov 22, 2024 21:09:37 GMT
I'm still getting over losing all my bets on the election, but this is still pretty funny. Conspiracy theory stuff |
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Nov 22, 2024 21:12:41 GMT
The USA imprisons its poor and pardons its Presidents. The USA isn't a democratic country. Of course it is a democratic country, far more so than the UK and most of Europe. |
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Nov 22, 2024 21:14:26 GMT
Trump’s sentencing in the hush money case has officially been cancelled. So much for “no-one is above the law”. A disgraceful decision. It was the only sensible decision open to Judge Merchan. I doubt he was happy about it but had to accept the inevitable. |
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Post by aargauer on Nov 22, 2024 21:27:49 GMT
The USA imprisons its poor and pardons its Presidents. The USA isn't a democratic country. Getting let off essentially by popular vote is more democratic. You could argue too democratic. |
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Post by stb12 on Nov 22, 2024 21:41:39 GMT
Even if Trump had been convicted and jailed prior to the election it wouldn’t have legally stopped him becoming president, that would have required an impeachment conviction.
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Post by timmullen on Nov 22, 2024 22:09:36 GMT
Even if Trump had been convicted and jailed prior to the election it wouldn’t have legally stopped him becoming president, that would have required an impeachment conviction. In theory (but won’t happen because the Republicans control Congress) he could be impeached on the basis of the crimes of which he has been convicted, although his defence team are seeking to have these particular convictions quashed rather than put in abeyance. |
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Post by uthacalthing on Nov 22, 2024 22:29:31 GMT
The USA imprisons its poor and pardons its Presidents. The USA isn't a democratic country. That BTW is not the measure of democracy. And in any case, the USA, quite specifically, is a Republic. It may seem harsh to ask you to reflect on your contribution to Trumpo's victory given that you rarely leave Preston but you are emblematic of a type of US voter. When I ask "you" I am by extension asking "them" You managed to lose to Donald John Trump for the Love of Christ. Is there any self reflection called for? What if anything, in your opinion, did people like you get so catastrophically wrong? |
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Post by observer on Nov 22, 2024 23:41:25 GMT
There's a minimal degree of self-reflection.
They're following exactly the same playbook that they employed in Trump's first term: abuse, condescension etc etc etc.
The difference this time is that they no longer control the media to the same overwhelming extent.The legacy media is dying and being replaced by citizen journalism.
The return of free speech to X is important in this. Probably not enough in itself.
Thankfully the man and woman on the street can assist by just turning legacy media off. That process is accelerating
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Post by timmullen on Nov 22, 2024 23:50:47 GMT
There's a minimal degree of self-reflection. They're following exactly the same playbook that they employed in Trump's first term: abuse, condescension etc etc etc. The difference this time is that they no longer control the media to the same overwhelming extent.The legacy media is dying and being replaced by citizen journalism. The return of free speech to X is important in this. Probably not enough in itself. Thankfully the man and woman on the street can assist by just turning legacy media off. That process is accelerating In the places you look maybe, in the real world places that matter, not so much. |
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Post by observer on Nov 22, 2024 23:53:50 GMT
There's a minimal degree of self-reflection. They're following exactly the same playbook that they employed in Trump's first term: abuse, condescension etc etc etc. The difference this time is that they no longer control the media to the same overwhelming extent.The legacy media is dying and being replaced by citizen journalism. The return of free speech to X is important in this. Probably not enough in itself. Thankfully the man and woman on the street can assist by just turning legacy media off. That process is accelerating In the places you look maybe, in the real world places that matter, not so much. Huge redundancies have been announced at MSNBC and CNN (was it CNN? I forget. It was one of the large broadcasters) since polling day. I'm not sure what 'real world' you inhabit |
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Post by uthacalthing on Nov 22, 2024 23:57:31 GMT
The MSM has been on a journey. They no longer even pretend to be neutral. To an extent, the left-wing MSM are following a trajectory set by the right win MSM and to an extent its events Dear Boy, the Climate Crisis and Covid sent the left-wing MSM down a rabbit hole
But the 24-hour rolling media failed to understand that there is no hurry. You don't have to curtail an interview to go to an ad break, or to go to a trailer, or the news, or the weather. So the routine of
Question-partial answer-interruption-2nd partial answer question-partial answer-sorry we have to leave it - he didn't really answer the question. does not cut it. The audience see through it and the interviewee sees through into. So they do an hour-long podcast where they don't get shafted or they run away from it in case they run out of message.
Joe Rogan and Triggernomertry killed the BBC and MSNBC
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Post by cathyc on Nov 23, 2024 0:30:07 GMT
The MSM has been on a journey. They no longer even pretend to be neutral. To an extent, the left-wing MSM are following a trajectory set by the right win MSM and to an extent its events Dear Boy, the Climate Crisis and Covid sent the left-wing MSM down a rabbit hole But the 24-hour rolling media failed to understand that there is no hurry. You don't have to curtail an interview to go to an ad break, or to go to a trailer, or the news, or the weather. So the routine of Question-partial answer-interruption-2nd partial answer question-partial answer-sorry we have to leave it - he didn't really answer the question. does not cut it. The audience see through it and the interviewee sees through into. So they do an hour-long podcast where they don't get shafted or they run away from it in case they run out of message. Joe Rogan and Triggernomertry killed the BBC and MSNBC This ignores the fact that the SSM has been shown to be subsidised and funded by the Russians via shadowy middle companies such as Tenet Media. So that far right "citizen journalists" like Tim Pool, David Rubin and Benny Johnson get sponsored to spout their crap and the grotesque Alex Jones declares Infowars bankrupt rather than paying the money he owes. |
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Post by stb12 on Nov 23, 2024 0:33:09 GMT
Even if Trump had been convicted and jailed prior to the election it wouldn’t have legally stopped him becoming president, that would have required an impeachment conviction. In theory (but won’t happen because the Republicans control Congress) he could be impeached on the basis of the crimes of which he has been convicted, although his defence team are seeking to have these particular convictions quashed rather than put in abeyance. Its a complicated one, the concept that the American people have pardoned Trump has some merit even though that’s not technically how the law is meant to work |
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