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Post by Merseymike on Oct 28, 2020 20:28:18 GMT
As ever depends on how the term socialism is defined. There are Democrats affiliated to the DSA and a very small number of Marxists but there has never been a clearly socialist-identified mass party.
Kamala Harris isn't a socialist, and it's not a term she would use to define herself
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Post by pragmaticidealist on Oct 28, 2020 20:31:23 GMT
As for the poll, I'd be sorely tempted to sit it out, just as I'd be sorely tempted to sit it out in just about any democracy at for the foreseeable future. I like Biden more than the Clintons (and probably Obama too), and it seems the average voter feels similarly based on the polls.
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Post by CatholicLeft on Oct 28, 2020 21:00:11 GMT
Torn. Despite my frequent ribbing, Joe's alright, it's Kamala and the socialist mob behind her that freak me out. I would vote GOP down ballot, but I'm not sure about Trump. He has his good points and his bad, but he's just such a loathsome character. Jo Jorgensen maybe, but the US Libertarians are a bit batty. I'll think about it. You are displaying a lack of understanding of how much Kamala Harris is disliked by the left in general for her actions as the DA in San Francisco and AG of California. She would comfortably fit into the Liberal Democrats or even on the liberal wing of the Conservative Party. I wouldn't vote for the Biden/Harris ticket not least because of Kamala Harris, who I think is a vapid self-publicist and no supporter of criminal justice reform. |
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Oct 28, 2020 21:07:47 GMT
Torn. Despite my frequent ribbing, Joe's alright, it's Kamala and the socialist mob behind her that freak me out. I would vote GOP down ballot, but I'm not sure about Trump. He has his good points and his bad, but he's just such a loathsome character. Jo Jorgensen maybe, but the US Libertarians are a bit batty. I'll think about it. You are displaying a lack of understanding of how much Kamala Harris is disliked by the left in general for her actions as the DA in San Francisco and AG of California. She would comfortably fit into the Liberal Democrats or even on the liberal wing of the Conservative Party. I wouldn't vote for the Biden/Harris ticket not least because of Kamala Harris, who I think is a vapid self-publicist and no supporter of criminal justice reform. She may well be loathed by the left, I understand that, but that doesn't mean that she isn't too left wing for me |
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Post by CatholicLeft on Oct 28, 2020 21:16:30 GMT
You are displaying a lack of understanding of how much Kamala Harris is disliked by the left in general for her actions as the DA in San Francisco and AG of California. She would comfortably fit into the Liberal Democrats or even on the liberal wing of the Conservative Party. I wouldn't vote for the Biden/Harris ticket not least because of Kamala Harris, who I think is a vapid self-publicist and no supporter of criminal justice reform. She may well be loathed by the left, I understand that, but that doesn't mean that she isn't too left wing for me That isn't what you said, though. You suggested she was backed by a socialist mob. She most certainly isn't. |
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Post by tonyhill on Oct 28, 2020 21:20:11 GMT
Somewhere I have a book called "Lenin's influence in the United States". Surprisingly the pages aren't blank.
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Post by Merseymike on Oct 28, 2020 21:23:41 GMT
Torn. Despite my frequent ribbing, Joe's alright, it's Kamala and the socialist mob behind her that freak me out. I would vote GOP down ballot, but I'm not sure about Trump. He has his good points and his bad, but he's just such a loathsome character. Jo Jorgensen maybe, but the US Libertarians are a bit batty. I'll think about it. You are displaying a lack of understanding of how much Kamala Harris is disliked by the left in general for her actions as the DA in San Francisco and AG of California. She would comfortably fit into the Liberal Democrats or even on the liberal wing of the Conservative Party. I wouldn't vote for the Biden/Harris ticket not least because of Kamala Harris, who I think is a vapid self-publicist and no supporter of criminal justice reform. Isn't she more of a Blairite than a LibDem on all sorts of levels? |
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Post by heslingtonian on Oct 28, 2020 21:27:07 GMT
Would have to be Biden. He's not by any means a strong candidate but I really wouldn't welcome another four years of chaos and constant instability under Trump.
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Post by finsobruce on Oct 28, 2020 21:28:37 GMT
Somewhere I have a book called "Lenin's influence in the United States". Surprisingly the pages aren't blank. Marks and Lipset's 2000 book "It Didn't Happen Here" is worth a look, although a bit of a slog.
The title of course riffs on Sinclair Lewis's 1935 novel "It Can't Happen Here" about a vain demagogue who wins a presidential election.
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Oct 28, 2020 21:30:52 GMT
She may well be loathed by the left, I understand that, but that doesn't mean that she isn't too left wing for me That isn't what you said, though. You suggested she was backed by a socialist mob. She most certainly isn't. Have you seen her supporters on Twitter? |
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Post by iainbhx on Oct 28, 2020 21:31:51 GMT
Greens for Trump is an angle I hadn't considered much, but why not! Contrary to recent narratives, the Greens aren't merely the leftie flank of the Lib Dems. No, some of them are more akin to the English Mistery. |
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Post by CatholicLeft on Oct 28, 2020 21:35:16 GMT
That isn't what you said, though. You suggested she was backed by a socialist mob. She most certainly isn't. Have you seen her supporters on Twitter? I don't do Twitter anymore. Sitting at a computer typing oesn't make them socialists, let alone a mob. |
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Post by minionofmidas on Oct 28, 2020 21:45:02 GMT
You are displaying a lack of understanding of how much Kamala Harris is disliked by the left in general for her actions as the DA in San Francisco and AG of California. She would comfortably fit into the Liberal Democrats or even on the liberal wing of the Conservative Party. I wouldn't vote for the Biden/Harris ticket not least because of Kamala Harris, who I think is a vapid self-publicist and no supporter of criminal justice reform. Isn't she more of a Blairite than a LibDem on all sorts of levels? Blairite But Woke. |
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Oct 28, 2020 21:48:22 GMT
God what a choice. 😱
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Post by Merseymike on Oct 28, 2020 21:54:30 GMT
Isn't she more of a Blairite than a LibDem on all sorts of levels? Blairite But Woke. Blairites are largely "woke" if that means sympathy for equality and diversity issues. But more hawkish on crime and punishment as is she |
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Post by mondialito on Oct 28, 2020 21:58:00 GMT
That isn't what you said, though. You suggested she was backed by a socialist mob. She most certainly isn't. Have you seen her supporters on Twitter? The KHive have more in common with Hillary stans or RBG worshippers than Bernie Bros - liberals who put symbolism above anything meaningful. As for the question, I would vote Biden no contest. I would probably be a straight down the line Democrat if I were American and while I would have hoped Tammy Duckworth was the VP candidate, a potential Harris presidency holds no fear for me, especially against whatever GOP primary voters throw up onto the ballot in 2024. |
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Post by jamie on Oct 28, 2020 21:59:59 GMT
That isn't what you said, though. You suggested she was backed by a socialist mob. She most certainly isn't. Have you seen her supporters on Twitter? Mob? Absolutely. Socialist? Absolutely not. They are the sort of people who would oppose Medicare for All on the basis that it harms the wages of Latinx and Womxn insurance company owners. |
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Oct 28, 2020 22:02:12 GMT
Very easy choice. The Democrat Party is awful, especially Pelosi, who would be empowered by allowing a confused old Tammany Hall stooge into the White House. Despite President Trump's many flaws, he is our friend and deserves to be reëlected against that shower.
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Post by CatholicLeft on Oct 28, 2020 22:06:46 GMT
Very easy choice. The Democrat Party is awful, especially Pelosi, who would be empowered by allowing a confused old Tammany Hall stooge into the White House. Despite President Trump's many flaws, he is our friend and deserves to be reëlected against that shower. You are entitled to your opinion, but not to make up rubbish. Joe Biden is clearly not a "confused old Tammany Hall stooge." I wouldn't vote for him, but not on the basis of such a daft claim. |
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Post by Sandy on Oct 28, 2020 22:11:22 GMT
Trump any day over creepy sleepy Uncle Joe. So called "conservatives" backing Biden should pull themselves together.
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