Scottish polls

[johnr]

Apparently this poll also asked some other questions.

26% believe MI5 are actively involved in the referendum campaign while 19% believe the result will be rigged.

I think we've found that this sample is in no way representative of the Scottish population.

[Deleted]

Thick as shit - where is the "other place"

[Pete Whitehead]

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[Richard Allen]

Sept 7, 2014 0:15:22 GMT ArmchairCritic said:

Will Cameron have to resign if he presides over the dissolution of the United Kingdom?

I suggest that he should

I also suggest that he won't if it happens

The one tiny scrap of comfort I would take from a yes vote is that Cameron would go down in history as the Prime Minister who oversaw the break up of the union. In such circumstances he most certainly should resign but he most likely won't.

[baloo]

Sept 8, 2014 8:39:28 GMT Richard Allen said:

Sept 7, 2014 0:15:22 GMT ArmchairCritic said:

Will Cameron have to resign if he presides over the dissolution of the United Kingdom?

I suggest that he should

I also suggest that he won't if it happens

The one tiny scrap of comfort I would take from a yes vote is that Cameron would go down in history as the Prime Minister who oversaw the break up of the union. In such circumstances he most certainly should resign but he most likely won't.

I don't see that he had a lot of choice. Once Salmond had got a majority in the Scots Parliament he would have liked nothing better than an English Tory PM blocking a referendum. I think that by bouncing Salmond into having a two question referendum Mr Cameron has played the hand he was dealt as well as he could have done.

[Davıd Boothroyd]

If David Cameron hadn't agreed to hold a referendum, Salmond would have held an unofficial one anyway.

[Richard Allen]

Sept 8, 2014 9:23:04 GMT baloo said:

Sept 8, 2014 8:39:28 GMT Richard Allen said:

The one tiny scrap of comfort I would take from a yes vote is that Cameron would go down in history as the Prime Minister who oversaw the break up of the union. In such circumstances he most certainly should resign but he most likely won't.

I don't see that he had a lot of choice. Once Salmond had got a majority in the Scots Parliament he would have liked nothing better than an English Tory PM blocking a referendum. I think that by bouncing Salmond into having a two question referendum Mr Cameron has played the hand he was dealt as well as he could have done.

I agree that he had no choice but to agree to the referendum but as Prime Minister he must shoulder at least some of the blame if Yes win.

[The Bishop]

Sept 8, 2014 8:39:28 GMT Richard Allen said:

Sept 7, 2014 0:15:22 GMT ArmchairCritic said:

Will Cameron have to resign if he presides over the dissolution of the United Kingdom?

I suggest that he should

I also suggest that he won't if it happens

The one tiny scrap of comfort I would take from a yes vote is that Cameron would go down in history as the Prime Minister who oversaw the break up of the union. In such circumstances he most certainly should resign but he most likely won't.

Indeed, it will be pretty much the only thing he is remembered for - his own "Iraq" if you like. Given how much he models himself upon Blair.....

[baloo]

Sept 8, 2014 9:54:24 GMT Richard Allen said:

Sept 8, 2014 9:23:04 GMT baloo said:

I don't see that he had a lot of choice. Once Salmond had got a majority in the Scots Parliament he would have liked nothing better than an English Tory PM blocking a referendum. I think that by bouncing Salmond into having a two question referendum Mr Cameron has played the hand he was dealt as well as he could have done.

I agree that he had no choice but to agree to the referendum but as Prime Minister he must shoulder at least some of the blame if Yes win.

He will take a share of the blame but I don't think he has actually earned one.

[The Bishop]

I respectfully disagree. It is a ridiculous situation when the PM of the day effectively "outsources" the campaign to keep his own country together.

I recognise the Tories are toxic to some in Scotland, but he seems to have shown little interest in this business throughout.

[Deleted]

Sept 8, 2014 10:24:27 GMT The Bishop said:

I respectfully disagree. It is a ridiculous situation when the PM of the day effectively "outsources" the campaign to keep his own country together.

I recognise the Tories are toxic to some in Scotland, but he seems to have shown little interest in this business throughout.

It would reflect badly on everyone involved in the referendum campaign tbh. You lot ran the campaign more or less and it has been a shambolic disaster. We let you run the campaign so are equally at fault.

[The Bishop]

Worry not, today's news that another royal baby is on the way will swing it

[baloo]

Sept 8, 2014 10:24:27 GMT The Bishop said:

I respectfully disagree. It is a ridiculous situation when the PM of the day effectively "outsources" the campaign to keep his own country together.

I recognise the Tories are toxic to some in Scotland, but he seems to have shown little interest in this business throughout.

I disagree, I think the Better Together campaign had to be led by a Scot and that Alistair Darling was the ideal candidate. I won't join in the allocation of blame at this stage as I think we'll win.

Incidentally I take it those preparing to blame Me Cameron for defeat are equally prepared to give him the credit for a victory.

[Tony Otim]

I would have thought No need at least 60% before anybody start taking any credit, anything less has been a massive boost to the Nats even if they lose. I think if there is a narrow defeat, the SNP might actually come out of this whole thing stronger if they can avoid tearing themselves apart in the aftermath.

[The Bishop]

That is the big if, though. If they now genuinely believe victory is in their grasp, even a narrow "no" will feel crushing to many.

[Tony Otim]

Sept 8, 2014 12:02:59 GMT The Bishop said:

That is the big if, though. If they now genuinely believe victory is in their grasp, even a narrow "no" will feel crushing to many.

Agreed. But if they can, if they accept it as a success by Salmond et al to get that close and come out united and energised, I think they could go into 2015 on a high and look at making gains and then stay the largest party in 2016 (albeit probably without a majority this time). If they get out the knives and ditch Salmond then I think they're heading for a tough decade.

[Deleted]

Interesting that a narrow 'No' will mean calls for another vote, while a 'Yes' will presumably be the end of the story ??

Having said that, what if a narrow'Yes' does lead to real economic problems ??

[The Bishop]

Surely a decision to become independent is irrevocable - at least in our lifetimes. BT could do worse than hammer home that point, tbh.

[Deleted]

Sept 8, 2014 12:23:30 GMT The Bishop said:

Surely a decision to become independent is irrevocable - at least in our lifetimes. BT could do worse than hammer home that point, tbh.

I saw one of their adverts a while ago that began with 'it's a massive decision, and there'll be no going back', so this does seem to be something that at least the mainstream pro-Union parties admit. I also can't really see any of the main pro-Union parties advocating re-union in the short term after independence either, and even if they did, I'm not sure that the rUK government would be interested.

[neilm]

The rUK government would be in a strong position to dictate terms in a re-union situation.