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Post by stb12 on Nov 21, 2024 19:04:35 GMT
Hard disagree. If you want independence you would have chosen one of the first two options (indi in/out of the EU). If you voted for the ‘more powers option’ you clearly don’t want indi. As I said, academic as there won’t be a ballot paper with those options. Sure in a hypothetical referendum on further powers those who want indi would vote for more powers (unless they’re stubborn and abstain, think David Owen and AV etc), but not the reverse. The point is more powers were promised and not delivered in 2014 to stop independence. A future referendum would have the status quo or indy and those wanting more powers will have to weigh up whether that is likely to be delivered by the UK (again) - what is clear is that indy definitely delivers more powers for Scotland. Would they trust the unionists a second time that they will deliver? This is completely untrue. The SNP and the Yes side decided to use the tactic of basically making out that anything short of ‘Devo max’ was a betrayal of the promise and it may have worked with some people at the time. But it’s a clear fact that more powers were devolved to the Scottish Parliament after the 2014 referendum |
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Post by michaelarden on Nov 21, 2024 21:11:57 GMT
The point is more powers were promised and not delivered in 2014 to stop independence. A future referendum would have the status quo or indy and those wanting more powers will have to weigh up whether that is likely to be delivered by the UK (again) - what is clear is that indy definitely delivers more powers for Scotland. Would they trust the unionists a second time that they will deliver? This is completely untrue. The SNP and the Yes side decided to use the tactic of basically making out that anything short of ‘Devo max’ was a betrayal of the promise and it may have worked with some people at the time. But it’s a clear fact that more powers were devolved to the Scottish Parliament after the 2014 referendum And how do those powers compare to the 'pledge'? |
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Post by stb12 on Nov 21, 2024 22:55:27 GMT
This is completely untrue. The SNP and the Yes side decided to use the tactic of basically making out that anything short of ‘Devo max’ was a betrayal of the promise and it may have worked with some people at the time. But it’s a clear fact that more powers were devolved to the Scottish Parliament after the 2014 referendum And how do those powers compare to the 'pledge'? Well I guess that’s where the politics comes in and how people interpreted the vow (or chose to interpret it), but as I said it’s still not accurate to say new powers were promised and not delivered |
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Post by Sandy on Nov 22, 2024 13:07:04 GMT
The point is more powers were promised and not delivered in 2014 to stop independence. A future referendum would have the status quo or indy and those wanting more powers will have to weigh up whether that is likely to be delivered by the UK (again) - what is clear is that indy definitely delivers more powers for Scotland. Would they trust the unionists a second time that they will deliver? This is completely untrue. The SNP and the Yes side decided to use the tactic of basically making out that anything short of ‘Devo max’ was a betrayal of the promise and it may have worked with some people at the time. But it’s a clear fact that more powers were devolved to the Scottish Parliament after the 2014 referendum Supposing they had got “devo max” (whatever that means), they would’ve done mental gymnastics and called it a betrayal, that was the narrative they were running with at the time. |
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Nov 26, 2024 18:37:41 GMT
This projection, if it’s anywhere near accurate in 18 months, would be a good result for all the parties. Except Alba I suppose.
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Post by mattbewilson on Nov 26, 2024 21:00:57 GMT
This projection, if it’s anywhere near accurate in 18 months, would be a good result for all the parties. Except Alba I suppose. Scottish groko |
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CatholicLeft
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Post by CatholicLeft on Nov 26, 2024 21:07:09 GMT
I think it would be a Lab/Lib Dem coalition with Conservative C&S, which is sort of what the system was set up for. If Reform do this well, they will have to learn the game fast so as to get agreements for policies as the government wouldn't need their votes and the Tories won't be in the mood to help them.
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Post by uthacalthing on Nov 26, 2024 21:12:18 GMT
Reform does not benefit from doing a deal to get 1% of its policy through
It benefits from the government failing repeatedly. Which is, let's face it, a default position.
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Post by CatholicLeft on Nov 26, 2024 23:35:57 GMT
Reform does not benefit from doing a deal to get 1% of its policy through It benefits from the government failing repeatedly. Which is, let's face it, a default position. Not in the Unionist/Nationalist circus of Scotland. You are either with us, or agin us. |
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