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Post by mike on May 4, 2020 16:18:18 GMT
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on May 4, 2020 16:21:21 GMT
Looks forward to the OMG Johnson in huge loss of councillor post.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on May 4, 2020 16:35:12 GMT
"Devastating blow to Johnson as South Trumptonshire Tory councillor calls it a day", yeah.
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Post by mike on May 4, 2020 16:36:56 GMT
Last time I looked and not including deaths, Boris had a net gain of councillors since Starmer became Labour leader, whereas Starmer is now in double figures in the councillors he's lost.
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Post by Merseymike on May 4, 2020 16:40:04 GMT
I wonder whether many of the resignations were of those due to be vacating their seats anyway?
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Post by mike on May 4, 2020 16:40:30 GMT
There's a narrative building here that seems to be rattling some Labour hacks. They've also lost their General Secretary today too.
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Post by spqr on May 4, 2020 16:43:00 GMT
There's a narrative building here that seems to be rattling some Labour hacks. They've also lost their General Secretary today too. You don't have to be a "hack" to think that attributing councillor losses or gains to a party's leader - any party leader - is fatuous nonsense. |
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on May 4, 2020 16:45:54 GMT
There's a narrative building here that seems to be rattling some Labour hacks. They've also lost their General Secretary today too. You don't have to be a "hack" to think that attributing councillor losses or gains to a party's leader - any party leader - is fatuous nonsense.
Exactly, but he seems to have president syndrome.
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Post by mike on May 4, 2020 16:46:27 GMT
There's a narrative building here that seems to be rattling some Labour hacks. They've also lost their General Secretary today too. You don't have to be a "hack" to think that attributing councillor losses or gains to a party's leader - any party leader - is fatuous nonsense. I'm sure if Labour had benefitted from defections when Starmer took over, that they would have made much of it. |
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Post by Adam in Stroud on May 4, 2020 17:26:20 GMT
There's a narrative building here that seems to be rattling some Labour hacks. They've also lost their General Secretary today too. Every Thursday I lose loads off stuff. I put it out the front of the house in big plastic bins and I can never find it again. |
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Post by tucson on May 5, 2020 4:21:53 GMT
Replaced by someone with a conviction for animal cruelty |
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Post by timmullen1 on May 5, 2020 7:46:33 GMT
Replaced by someone with a conviction for animal cruelty A conviction that was overturned on appeal, where he was represented by the 2015 Conservative PPC in Stoke South, Joe Rich. |
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Post by The Bishop on May 5, 2020 10:42:51 GMT
Let's get this straight - defections and actual losses in council byelections *could* be regarded as in some way reflecting on the party leader in question (though in both cases, in practice they often have very different explanations) But nobody serious - as opposed to transparently and tediously trolling - views people merely resigning from a council, something that happens ALL THE TIME for all sorts of reasons, as a "loss" for the party/leader in any meaningful respect. Hope this helps  |
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Post by lbarnes on May 5, 2020 10:45:41 GMT
Let's get this straight - defections and actual losses in council byelections *could* be regarded as in some way reflecting on the party leader in question (though in both cases, in practice they have very different explanations) But nobody serious - as opposed to transparently and tediously trolling - views people merely resigning from a council, something that happens ALL THE TIME for all sorts of reasons, as a "loss" for the party/leader in any serious respect. Hope this helps Of course that's true for any individual loss or defection, but if a pattern emerges then that's a different story. |
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Post by timmullen1 on May 5, 2020 11:01:58 GMT
Let's get this straight - defections and actual losses in council byelections *could* be regarded as in some way reflecting on the party leader in question (though in both cases, in practice they have very different explanations) But nobody serious - as opposed to transparently and tediously trolling - views people merely resigning from a council, something that happens ALL THE TIME for all sorts of reasons, as a "loss" for the party/leader in any serious respect. Hope this helps Of course that's true for any individual loss or defection, but if a pattern emerges then that's a different story. But there’s no pattern, you’ve had at least three go because of the six month rule, which you should therefore blame on Corbyn, at least one resignation because they’ve taken a politically restricted job, which it’s a safeish bet they applied for pre-Starmer, and I have a fear that Pervez’s resignation is for genuine family reasons as two weeks ago they suspected his wife had Covid 19. |
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Post by lbarnes on May 5, 2020 11:23:31 GMT
Of course that's true for any individual loss or defection, but if a pattern emerges then that's a different story. But there’s no pattern, you’ve had at least three go because of the six month rule, which you should therefore blame on Corbyn, at least one resignation because they’ve taken a politically restricted job, which it’s a safeish bet they applied for pre-Starmer, and I have a fear that Pervez’s resignation is for genuine family reasons as two weeks ago they suspected his wife had Covid 19. I'm not saying there is a pattern just that it shouldn't be dismissed if there was one. How does the 6 month rule apply in lockdown? |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on May 5, 2020 11:29:26 GMT
The six month rule has not been altered, varied, amended or suspended. It remains in operation in national legislation. Councillors are however counted as 'attending' a meeting if they participate remotely - Regulation 5(2)Some councils appear to be giving members a blanket 'leave of absence' under s. 85(1) of the Local Government Act 1972, effectively suspending the six month rule locally. |
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Post by timrollpickering on May 5, 2020 12:02:50 GMT
I wonder how many councillors lack either the technology or the knowledge to take part in meetings. The lockdown has shown that a lot of people are not easily set up for online meetings whether due to poor broadband, older computers and/or not knowing how to use the relevant services.
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Post by J.G.Harston on May 5, 2020 12:08:38 GMT
I wonder how many councillors lack either the technology or the knowledge to take part in meetings. The lockdown has shown that a lot of people are not easily set up for online meetings whether due to poor broadband, older computers and/or not knowing how to use the relevant services. My computer club had an online meet-up using Zoom so it was a good test. While it is satisfactory for passive observation, it does everything it can to fight against any attempt to be useful to use interactively. |
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Post by timmullen1 on May 5, 2020 12:09:19 GMT
I wonder how many councillors lack either the technology or the knowledge to take part in meetings. The lockdown has shown that a lot of people are not easily set up for online meetings whether due to poor broadband, older computers and/or not knowing how to use the relevant services. When they first started webcasting Full Council it was hilarious in a pathetic kind of way; the camera follows the open mic, one half would forget to turn their mic on so we’d just have a panoramic view of the chamber with a hollow voice in the distance, the other half would forget to turn their mic off so we were left staring at them rifling through papers, eating a sweet, falling asleep.... |
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