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Post by Foggy on Sept 12, 2019 18:29:26 GMT
My solution to this is to create a tenth region of England, incorporating contiguous bits that don't fit neatly anywhere else (Northants, Rutland, Beds, Hunts & Peterborough, plus potentially all of Bucks but certainly MK). Then again, if we're really serious about respecting all county borders and having more flexibility in terms of electorates, then boundary reviews do not need to be undertaken on a regional basis at all. Hertfordshire should also go in that region (though not sure it should include Rutland which is surely more closely tied to Leicestershire and Lincolnshire) I toyed with whether to include Herts in that list. I bow to your local knowledge. Stamford would look rather squashed between two parts of such a region, but Rutland has little in common with Axholme and Immingham. I understand the reasons for the current link with Leicestershire, but would be happy for central government to subsidise making it a proper two-tier county in its own right, with its own police force. |
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Post by greenhert on Sept 12, 2019 19:56:23 GMT
My solution to this is to create a tenth region of England, incorporating contiguous bits that don't fit neatly anywhere else (Northants, Rutland, Beds, Hunts & Peterborough, plus potentially all of Bucks but certainly MK). Then again, if we're really serious about respecting all county borders and having more flexibility in terms of electorates, then boundary reviews do not need to be undertaken on a regional basis at all. Hertfordshire should also go in that region (though not sure it should include Rutland which is surely more closely tied to Leicestershire and Lincolnshire) This hypothetical region should be called West Anglia.
Also, three regions can be created out of the current South East and South West (a South Central sub-region definitely exists, as implicitly acknowledged by the 1979 Times Guide to the House of Commons).
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Sept 13, 2019 10:21:47 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2019 16:30:00 GMT
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Post by bjornhattan on Sept 13, 2019 16:40:36 GMT
I hope he does something dramatic for the occasion, like revealing he's actually a vampire or something. |
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Post by finsobruce on Sept 13, 2019 16:48:02 GMT
I hope he does something dramatic for the occasion, like revealing he's actually a vampire or something. I'm hoping for the Great Pumpkin. Less of a drain on the NHS.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Oct 13, 2019 5:58:58 GMT
Hmm. All this talk of Bercow as a possible Unity Prime Minister tends to suggest he resigns as Speaker on 31 October, and doesn't take the Chiltern Hundreds.
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Post by The Bishop on Oct 13, 2019 9:47:00 GMT
Or maybe its just talk?
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Post by johnloony on Oct 13, 2019 12:00:35 GMT
Hmm. All this talk of Bercow as a possible Unity Prime Minister tends to suggest he resigns as Speaker on 31 October, and doesn't take the Chiltern Hundreds. We can all live in hope that the Chancellor will have the good sense to appoint him to the Chiltern Hundreds anyway, even if he doesn't apply for it. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Oct 13, 2019 12:08:13 GMT
Hmm. All this talk of Bercow as a possible Unity Prime Minister tends to suggest he resigns as Speaker on 31 October, and doesn't take the Chiltern Hundreds. We can all live in hope that the Chancellor will have the good sense to appoint him to the Chiltern Hundreds anyway, even if he doesn't apply for it. That's unlawful - House of Commons Disqualification Act 1975 s. 8 (1). |
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Post by Delighted Of Tunbridge Wells on Oct 13, 2019 16:58:19 GMT
I can't imagine any other party than the Conservatives winning Buckingham. I know it's a DC and not a parliamentary seat, but South Oxon DC contains mostly traditionally true blue areas and the Tories managed to annoy the locals so much with their plan to effectively urbanise what is generally a very rural area that it is now a Lib Dem/Green coalition. And there has been a lot of housebuilding on the edge of MK which must be in Buckingham which might have a double effect on the way the seat leans-locals act out of character and vote for an Independent because of housebuilding like in South Oxon and the incomers might not be true Blue. |
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Post by Andrew_S on Oct 13, 2019 17:14:34 GMT
I can imagine the LDs winning Buckingham if the national result is something like Con 33%, LD 20%.
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Post by ricmk on Oct 13, 2019 18:19:31 GMT
I can't imagine any other party than the Conservatives winning Buckingham. I know it's a DC and not a parliamentary seat, but South Oxon DC contains mostly traditionally true blue areas and the Tories managed to annoy the locals so much with their plan to effectively urbanise what is generally a very rural area that it is now a Lib Dem/Green coalition. And there has been a lot of housebuilding on the edge of MK which must be in Buckingham which might have a double effect on the way the seat leans-locals act out of character and vote for an Independent because of housebuilding like in South Oxon and the incomers might not be true Blue. Not quite - all our house building at present is in the borough, we have a major western expansion area which goes up to the border but all our side for now. There’s a ridge line on the border so crossing it is a big deal because it would mean all the Buckingham villages could see the development edge which they can’t at present. If the boundary changes went through, with 2 non-Tory wards planned to go into Buckingham (and a lot of local anger about the Tories proposing this) then this would be exactly the situation. When we discussed it before all the discussion was around the impact on the MK South seat; how things have changed for n a few months that we are talking about Buckingham instead! I feel no one else agrees with me, but I’m convinced that Aylesbury becomes winnable for the Lib Dems long before Buckingham. Fewer true blue villages, superb campaign team, stacks of good councillors, and how many Brexit fans are voting for David Lidington? |
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Post by Delighted Of Tunbridge Wells on Oct 13, 2019 18:49:57 GMT
I know it's a DC and not a parliamentary seat, but South Oxon DC contains mostly traditionally true blue areas and the Tories managed to annoy the locals so much with their plan to effectively urbanise what is generally a very rural area that it is now a Lib Dem/Green coalition. And there has been a lot of housebuilding on the edge of MK which must be in Buckingham which might have a double effect on the way the seat leans-locals act out of character and vote for an Independent because of housebuilding like in South Oxon and the incomers might not be true Blue. Not quite - all our house building at present is in the borough, we have a major western expansion area which goes up to the border but all our side for now. There’s a ridge line on the border so crossing it is a big deal because it would mean all the Buckingham villages could see the development edge which they can’t at present. If the boundary changes went through, with 2 non-Tory wards planned to go into Buckingham (and a lot of local anger about the Tories proposing this) then this would be exactly the situation. When we discussed it before all the discussion was around the impact on the MK South seat; how things have changed for n a few months that we are talking about Buckingham instead! I feel no one else agrees with me, but I’m convinced that Aylesbury becomes winnable for the Lib Dems long before Buckingham. Fewer true blue villages, superb campaign team, stacks of good councillors, and how many Brexit fans are voting for David Lidington? Oh OK, I'm a South Oxon/Reading lad,not completely sure about the borders round there. I could see the Lib Dems winning some areas around there,whether they win the whole seat I think depends on whether a lot of the new development around Aylesbury Vale Parkway is in Aylesbury or Buckingham. I think those new houses full of London commuters/perhaps ex-Londoners pushed out by higher property prices are the key to any Lib Dem victory in those seats. I was having a discussion about Wycombe district villages on another thread and I think neither Aylesbury/Buckingham are winnable by the LD's without those new houses because the type of villages that form a large part of the vote round there are probably quite "I'm alright Jack" lower-middle-class Boris and Brexit-supporting kind of places and the towns like Aylesbury and Wycombe as someone else has mentioned have a large segment of white working-class/lower middle-class people who were Londoners and who won't vote LD anymore now you're so clearly branded as the Remain parties. If you want to win in Aylesbury, I think you'd need to motivate both the Remainers in the towns,the London commuters in the villages(maybe pledge further improvements to Chiltern services)and squeeze the Labour vote in the towns with some Focus bar charts. And,if you can,encourage the BP to stand to split the pro-Boris vote in the half-suburb/half-villages that seem to exist round there. |
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Post by BucksDucks on Oct 13, 2019 19:11:14 GMT
Oh OK, I'm a South Oxon/Reading lad,not completely sure about the borders round there. I could see the Lib Dems winning some areas around there,whether they win the whole seat I think depends on whether a lot of the new development around Aylesbury Vale Parkway is in Aylesbury or Buckingham. Of the new developments around Aylesbury the Berryfields development (the one next to AVP station) is in the Aylesbury constituency. However, the neighbouring Buckingham Park development and the western development between Bierton and the canal (Kingsbrook, I think it is called) are in the Buckingham constituency. |
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Post by Delighted Of Tunbridge Wells on Oct 13, 2019 19:28:42 GMT
Oh OK, I'm a South Oxon/Reading lad,not completely sure about the borders round there. I could see the Lib Dems winning some areas around there,whether they win the whole seat I think depends on whether a lot of the new development around Aylesbury Vale Parkway is in Aylesbury or Buckingham. Of the new developments around Aylesbury the Berryfields development (the one next to AVP station) is in the Aylesbury constituency. However, the neighbouring Buckingham Park development and the western development between Bierton and the canal (Kingsbrook, I think it is called) are in the Buckingham constituency. Thanks, that might be interesting come election time because I assume those estates are fully occupied or close to fully occupied now. |
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Post by neilm on Oct 14, 2019 13:02:24 GMT
Is Fairford Leys actually bigger than Aylesbury itself?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2019 13:08:35 GMT
CON WIN. 6,000 maj.
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Post by Delighted Of Tunbridge Wells on Oct 14, 2019 22:21:25 GMT
Wouldn't that be Con Gain from Independent or Speaker? |
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Post by john07 on Oct 14, 2019 22:25:32 GMT
Where’s Robert Maxwell when you need him?
Mind you he did end up as a ‘floating’ voter!
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