middyman
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Post by middyman on Jul 15, 2019 13:19:56 GMT
Ignore middyman, he's performing mental gymnastics to try and justify making an undemocratic change to the voting system that would benefit his party in the short term. Denied. I am not the one employing “mental gymnastics” to avoid the consequences of medical knowledge when they do not suit my political purposes. |
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Post by Yaffles on Jul 15, 2019 13:27:03 GMT
I think the concept of driving licenses for all is already more or less dead outside of rural areas with poor bus/rail links. Many people prefer to use public transport for environmental reasons, or because they don't feel comfortable driving. This is a bit of an exaggeration - there has been a trend towards young people learning to drive later. But outside the centres of our large cities it is still very much standard for young people to learn to drive at some point in their twenties. Try getting around after 7pm in most places and becomes pretty impractical without owning a car (although Uber is changing that). |
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Post by syorkssocialist on Jul 15, 2019 13:30:04 GMT
Ignore middyman, he's performing mental gymnastics to try and justify making an undemocratic change to the voting system that would benefit his party in the short term. Denied. I am not the one employing “mental gymnastics” to avoid the consequences of medical knowledge when they do not suit my political purposes. All I'll say is I've read the GE2017 threads where you and several other right wingers got salty and started calling for the franchise to be removed from students and young people because you didn't like the way we voted. Rather than trying to win over demographics that tend not to vote for you, your response is to advocate denying them a say. But I'll take my own advice and stop replying to you now.
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Post by syorkssocialist on Jul 15, 2019 13:32:00 GMT
I think the concept of driving licenses for all is already more or less dead outside of rural areas with poor bus/rail links. Many people prefer to use public transport for environmental reasons, or because they don't feel comfortable driving. This is a bit of an exaggeration - there has been a trend towards young people learning to drive later. But outside the centres of our large cities it is still very much standard for young people to learn to drive at some point in their twenties. Try getting around after 7pm in most places and becomes pretty impractical without owning a car (although Uber is changing that). Fair points - should have said on its way out rather than already dead. If public transport fares were a bit more affordable it would be a much faster process.
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Post by greenchristian on Jul 15, 2019 13:32:39 GMT
Yes, you keep repeating that point over and over rather than attempting to address what is being said. The evidence you have raised is completely irrelevant to the context under discussion and there is zero evidence that young people are any less capable than their elders of making rational sensible decisions in a voting context. The medical research is that rational thought processes are not fully developed until about 25. Full Stop. Motoring accident statistics is just one manifestation of a state of affairs which affects everything. Where is there any evidence that it only affects one area of thought processes? I have not claimed that. Actually, it's fairly well established by psychology that human beings are really bad at rational thought processes, regardless of their age. So the argument that one needs to have the ability to make rational decisions in order to vote logically means that we have to deny the vote to pretty much everyone. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2019 20:29:49 GMT
I don't understand why people think allowing the young to vote is a huge risk but have no problems with people in their seventies who tell you in the doorstep "I'm voting X because I've always voted X" continuing to do so, even when it's obvious that there's no way they should ever have voted for that party.
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Post by afleitch on Jul 15, 2019 20:46:15 GMT
I don't understand why people think allowing the young to vote is a huge risk but have no problems with people in their seventies who tell you in the doorstep "I'm voting X because I've always voted X" continuing to do so, even when it's obvious that there's no way they should ever have voted for that party. And the fact we don't rescind the vote from people with impaired faculties as they age. |
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Post by syorkssocialist on Jul 15, 2019 21:06:38 GMT
Calling for any demographic that currently has the franchise to lose it is disgraceful and undemocratic, whether that is 18 year olds or 80 year olds.
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Post by finsobruce on Jul 15, 2019 22:41:16 GMT
Calling for any demographic that currently has the franchise to lose it is disgraceful and undemocratic, whether that is 18 year olds or 80 year olds. And, generally, a wind up. |
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peters
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Post by peters on Jul 16, 2019 8:20:45 GMT
Not to interrupt this fascinating discussion but this by-election will be on Thursday 29 August 2019.
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Post by yellowperil on Jul 16, 2019 8:31:24 GMT
Yes and of course all this discussion about whether young people in London need to be able to drive, or whether they can rely on public transport, or whether Uber will be a sufficient substitute, its all so exactly on topic for a thread about a Scottish parliamentary by-election in Shetland, isn't it?
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yorkshireluke
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Post by yorkshireluke on Jul 16, 2019 9:04:23 GMT
Yes and of course all this discussion about whether young people in London need to be able to drive, or whether they can rely on public transport, or whether Uber will be a sufficient substitute, its all so exactly on topic for a thread about a Scottish parliamentary by-election in Shetland, isn't it? Always amazes me where certain arguments pop up on this forum. |
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Post by Lord Twaddleford on Jul 16, 2019 17:15:48 GMT
Yes and of course all this discussion about whether young people in London need to be able to drive, or whether they can rely on public transport, or whether Uber will be a sufficient substitute, its all so exactly on topic for a thread about a Scottish parliamentary by-election in Shetland, isn't it? Always amazes me where certain arguments pop up on this forum. Well, trains have alread made an appearance here. Hmm, I wonder what the pubs are like on the Shetlands, and I wonder how they compare with those in and around Stockport...?    |
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J.G.Harston
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Post by J.G.Harston on Jul 16, 2019 18:44:04 GMT
Always amazes me where certain arguments pop up on this forum. Well, trains have alread made an appearance here. Hmm, I wonder what the pubs are like on the Shetlands, and I wonder how they compare with those in and around Stockport...? What are the bus stations like? |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jul 16, 2019 19:38:02 GMT
Well, trains have alread made an appearance here. Hmm, I wonder what the pubs are like on the Shetlands, and I wonder how they compare with those in and around Stockport...? What are the bus stations like? Small. |
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Post by syorkssocialist on Jul 16, 2019 19:40:39 GMT
Always amazes me where certain arguments pop up on this forum. Well, trains have alread made an appearance here. Hmm, I wonder what the pubs are like on the Shetlands, and I wonder how they compare with those in and around Stockport...? Can't speak for the pubs but I'm told by a local they don't like it when people refer to the islands as 'the Shetlands' and that it should always be either 'Shetland' or 'Shetland Islands'. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2019 20:46:00 GMT
Always amazes me where certain arguments pop up on this forum. Well, trains have alread made an appearance here. Hmm, I wonder what the pubs are like on the Shetlands, and I wonder how they compare with those in and around Stockport...? When I lived in Shetland, I used to go to the Lounge Bar for the session every Wednesday evening. Beer is pretty much limited to Tennent's and similar though. |
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cogload
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Post by cogload on Jul 17, 2019 6:42:59 GMT
There used to be a railway on Unst. And beer choice is limited*
* There was a micro brewery on the island set up by Sonny Priest under the name Valhalla, he has now sold it and the brewery has moved to the "Mainland".
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Post by owainsutton on Jul 17, 2019 10:31:10 GMT
Well, trains have alread made an appearance here. Hmm, I wonder what the pubs are like on the Shetlands, and I wonder how they compare with those in and around Stockport...? What are the bus stations like? Unique. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unst_Bus_Shelter |
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Post by neilm on Jul 17, 2019 19:48:09 GMT
Well, trains have alread made an appearance here. Hmm, I wonder what the pubs are like on the Shetlands, and I wonder how they compare with those in and around Stockport...? Can't speak for the pubs but I'm told by a local they don't like it when people refer to the islands as 'the Shetlands' and that it should always be either 'Shetland' or 'Shetland Islands'. I've heard this before, but (eg) "I'm going to Shetland Islands" sounds a bit odd. I suppose "I'm going to Shetland" sounds better but there isn't actually a place called Shetland so that's also odd." Is this a Viking language legacy where the name of an island group is deemed to include the definite article or something? I appreciate I've allowed the thread to stray off topic by asking 😄 |
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