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Post by Lord Twaddleford on Jul 9, 2019 19:21:21 GMT
The curse of the deleted tweet strikes again... 
Do you remember what it said?Nevermind. Now all of a sudden I can see it. |
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Post by John Chanin on Jul 9, 2019 20:43:06 GMT
The video is very interesting, and contradicts my statement that the phonemes are different.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Jul 9, 2019 20:48:59 GMT
The video is very interesting, and contradicts my statement that the phonemes are different. Yes. And i am delighted, that the explainer agrees to another observation of mine - that of "slavic" Portuguese. |
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Post by johnloony on Jul 10, 2019 2:19:32 GMT
Is it just me, who has the strange impression, that the way NewGreek is spoken is similar to - Spanish(!)? On thinking about it there is a rhythmic similarity, but the phonemes are very different. The five vowels in Modern Greek (a, e, i, o, u) are the same as in Spanish. |
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Post by Antiochian on Jul 10, 2019 7:45:13 GMT
On thinking about it there is a rhythmic similarity, but the phonemes are very different. The five vowels in Modern Greek (a, e, i, o, u) are the same as in Spanish. Ladino influence? |
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Post by Antiochian on Jul 10, 2019 7:47:33 GMT
Is it just me, who has the strange impression, that the way NewGreek is spoken is similar to - Spanish(!)? Ladino was the largest spoken language in Thessalonika until 1900 due to the Sephardic Jewish presence there... so no real surprise.. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2019 7:50:31 GMT
Is it just me, who has the strange impression, that the way NewGreek is spoken is similar to - Spanish(!)? Ladino was the largest spoken language in Thessalonika until 1900 due to the Sephardic Jewish presence there... so no real surprise.. Half the population of the city was Jewish in the last years of Ottoman rule, with just over a third being Greek-speaking Christians or Muslims. The remainder of the population was Turkish, Slav, Albanian or other. Salonica was the birthplace of Mustafa Kemal. |
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Post by John Chanin on Jul 10, 2019 8:14:50 GMT
Ladino was the largest spoken language in Thessalonika until 1900 due to the Sephardic Jewish presence there... so no real surprise.. Half the population of the city was Jewish in the last years of Ottoman rule, with just over a third being Greek-speaking Christians or Muslims. The remainder of the population was Turkish, Slav, Albanian or other. Salonica was the birthplace of Mustafa Kemal. This is of course the reason for the Greek paranoia and insecurity that seems so daft to everyone else. The fact is that Greeks were in a minority in Makedonia and Thraki until the population exchanges in 1921, and there were large Slav minorities until they supported the losing side in the civil war in the 1940s and were forced, or fled, over the border to the north. No excuse however. There were larger population movements elsewhere in Europe in the aftermath of both world wars, which have ceased to be an issue except for small minorities. |
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Post by The Bishop on Jul 10, 2019 11:03:32 GMT
It is certainly not very widely known that there were a significant number of Muslim Greeks until a century ago.
Most left for Turkey during the population exchanges of the 1920s, and only a few of those speak their old language now.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2019 11:24:13 GMT
It is certainly not very widely known that there were a significant number of Muslim Greeks until a century ago. Most left for Turkey during the population exchanges of the 1920s, and only a few of those speak their old language now. They are declining, but there are still several hundred thousand Greek-speaking Muslims in Turkey. Most are in the mountains of Pontus, but some are around the Aegean. The latter are mostly descendants of those resettled in the 1920s. I met some of them in Heraclea ad Latmum (Kapıkırı) on an Andante tour. Our guide took us to the ancient theatre there and recited some lines of Sappho from the stage to demonstrate the acoustics. Some of the market women who had followed us up there with handicrafts for sale applauded politely (ancient Greek is fairly intelligible to modern speakers). One of them showed us her garden, which occupied part of the site of the bouleuterion, and helpfully read a Greek inscription which the guide was unable to make out. These people are the last remnant of 3,000 years of Hellenism in Anatolia. Naturally they get little encouragement from the Turkish authorities. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Jul 10, 2019 15:57:26 GMT
These people are the last remnant of 3,000 years of Hellenism in Anatolia. Sad. (Although v.WILAMOWITZ-MOELLENDORFF proclaimed apodictically ~100 years ago, that "Dorians and Ionians didn't fit together" and i always preferred the Dorians [as they were the tacit PowerHouse of Hellas].) |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jul 12, 2019 8:06:26 GMT
The video is very interesting, and contradicts my statement that the phonemes are different. What a fascinating video. And not afraid to introduce some difficult concepts. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jul 12, 2019 10:14:58 GMT
Anyway, one thing led to another, so here's Cruel to Be Kind by Nick Lowe in Greek.
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Post by finsobruce on Jul 12, 2019 14:33:06 GMT
Anyway, one thing led to another, so here's Cruel to Be Kind by Nick Lowe in Greek. How did he end up working for the President of Austria?
And what is the Greek for Rockpile?
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Post by Merseymike on Jul 12, 2019 14:42:42 GMT
Of course its back to business as usual. Did anyone really have any doubts that it wouldn't be? The interesting thing will be what happens to the left and to what extent they can reconcile their differences, as they still have as many voters in total as the right |
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Post by Tony Otim on Jul 12, 2019 15:07:45 GMT
Of course its back to business as usual. Did anyone really have any doubts that it wouldn't be? The interesting thing will be what happens to the left and to what extent they can reconcile their differences, as they still have as many voters in total as the right Who do you mean by the left though? KINAL as the latest electoral vehicle for PASOK, represent just as much a continuation of the same old as ND. And KKE don't play well with other children. |
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Post by Merseymike on Jul 12, 2019 15:13:21 GMT
Of course its back to business as usual. Did anyone really have any doubts that it wouldn't be? The interesting thing will be what happens to the left and to what extent they can reconcile their differences, as they still have as many voters in total as the right Who do you mean by the left though? KINAL as the latest electoral vehicle for PASOK, represent just as much a continuation of the same old as ND. And KKE don't play well with other children. On the right, voters have opted for ND rather than smaller rightwing parties On the left, I was thinking of some sort of reconciliation between Varoufakis and Syriza. KKE will never partake in government and have some very odd views but they are a class party so ultimately will back anyone against the right if it comes to a vote of confidence. Its what hardline marxists do. Its why SWP members vote Labour even though they regard them as bourgeois sellouts. KINAL will oppose ND because they are ND |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Jul 12, 2019 19:15:43 GMT
Anyway, one thing led to another, so here's Cruel to Be Kind by Nick Lowe in Greek. How did he end up working for the President of Austria? ? |
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Post by finsobruce on Jul 12, 2019 19:25:05 GMT
How did he end up working for the President of Austria? ? his boss in the video reminded me a bit of Van De Bellen.  |
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Post by Tony Otim on Jul 12, 2019 21:46:50 GMT
Who do you mean by the left though? KINAL as the latest electoral vehicle for PASOK, represent just as much a continuation of the same old as ND. And KKE don't play well with other children. On the right, voters have opted for ND rather than smaller rightwing parties On the left, I was thinking of some sort of reconciliation between Varoufakis and Syriza. KKE will never partake in government and have some very odd views but they are a class party so ultimately will back anyone against the right if it comes to a vote of confidence. Its what hardline marxists do. Its why SWP members vote Labour even though they regard them as bourgeois sellouts. KINAL will oppose ND because they are ND But with the Greek system and the winners' bonus, unless Syriza actually get more votes than ND, then most of that is irrelevant as the left will lack the seats to block ND forming the government. |
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