Merseymike
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Post by Merseymike on Jun 24, 2019 8:30:43 GMT
I thought you would like her politics - very right wing Labour, socially quite conservative? And Mps don't have the right to a job for life. Of course a local party has the right to deselect a candidate. From what I hear from (not 'on the left') friends up there she shames people having abortions, and is terribly anti-gay. Worst kind of RC. And that the criticism of inactivity is not inaccurate in many areas. It's interesting to hear about the selection. Everyone is anti-spad and pro local Fred. Until local Fred turns out to be useless and the 'professional politician' quite.. professional. Oh I agree with all that. The reality is that deselection is rare. People don't expect their MPs to be ideological clones. If you go out of your way to wind up the CLP and only speak publicly to slag off the party leadership even when you know most of the party locally don't agree then you ask for trouble. That was what Berger did. Alternately you have a local worthy who just doesn't realise that his views on gays and abortion simply didn't reflect their local party any more. And thinks his job on the speakers panel meaning he goes on jollies to watch overseas elections rather than being in parliament to vote against the bedroom tax us more important. That was our last MP Joe Benton who we trigger balloted. He stood down but he would have been deselected. I think we had every bloody right to do so. We wanted him to go in 2010 and he said he would stand down. He lied. |
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Post by andrea on Jun 24, 2019 14:23:49 GMT
The reality is that deselection is rare...... Alternately you have a local worthy who just doesn't realise that his views on gays and abortion simply didn't reflect their local party any more. And thinks his job on the speakers panel meaning he goes on jollies to watch overseas elections rather than being in parliament to vote against the bedroom tax us more important. That was our last MP Joe Benton who we trigger balloted. He stood down but he would have been deselected. I think we had every bloody right to do so. We wanted him to go in 2010 and he said he would stand down. He lied. Out of 7 MPs who lost the trigger ballot in the 1997-2015 period (well, the 7 I recall they lost a trigger ballot), 4 could have avoided it by simply not seeking re-selection given their age and tenure. With the 1/3 threshold this time I would expect more MPs to be triggered than usual (given usual was 1-2 per GE), because in CLPs with few wards, 1-2 of them voting against for whatever reason is enough to open the selection. Especially for careless MP who don't think about packing the meetings with their own supporters. With crap turnouts, you can get 2-3 people voting to trigger by principle, 2-3 by ideology, 2-3 because they are annoyed the MP has not backed the local fight against the council closure of something...and you lose the ward meeting because the rest didn't bother to turnout. |
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Post by La Fontaine on Jun 24, 2019 22:36:57 GMT
The Labour candidate's election statement contains the words "police on streets" in four successive paras (out of six). Is this a record?
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Post by tonyhill on Jun 25, 2019 5:18:11 GMT
Wot, no "bobbies on the beat"?
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Post by polaris on Jun 25, 2019 9:33:48 GMT
The Labour candidate's election statement contains the words "police on streets" in four successive paras (out of six). Is this a record? Well, it is a PCC election! At least she's staying on topic....
Whether she can deliver that is another matter, of course.
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yorkshireluke
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Post by yorkshireluke on Jul 4, 2019 23:40:33 GMT
Postal vote arrived earlier today. Will send it off in the morning hopefully.
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Post by jamie on Jul 9, 2019 18:13:27 GMT
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yorkshireluke
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Post by yorkshireluke on Jul 9, 2019 19:23:14 GMT
D'oh. That's my lesson learned, will wait more time for sending my ballot off. |
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Post by bjornhattan on Jul 10, 2019 20:09:11 GMT
D'oh. That's my lesson learned, will wait more time for sending my ballot off. Yeah, a lesson for me too - especially since allegedly she's been personally attacking Berwick Lib Dems and harassing her opponents (at least according some close friends involved in the party up there). She also had a very populist and right-leaning campaign (very anti-PC and things) - I didn't mind that because I'm on the populist right of the Lib Dems, but it might put you off. To be honest part of the problem with the electoral system is that you have to predict who will do well, so your vote isn't wasted. I thought the independent would beat the Conservative, so I went that way (because I didn't want Labour to walk it - I can't stand Vera Baird). Either way, I expect Wallace to come second (and depending on turnout, may even come scarily close to beating Labour after second preferences). |
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The Bishop
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Post by The Bishop on Jul 18, 2019 9:17:30 GMT
This one is polling today, in case anybody had forgotten (and yes, it is quite easy to)
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jul 18, 2019 9:24:01 GMT
This one is polling today, in case anybody had forgotten (and yes, it is quite easy to) Given the preference voting system, and Northumberland including a massive area with tiny villages, is the count not until tomorrow? |
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The Bishop
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Post by The Bishop on Jul 18, 2019 9:26:26 GMT
The previous PCC byelections counted on a Friday, so one would expect so.
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Chris from Brum
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Post by Chris from Brum on Jul 18, 2019 10:54:59 GMT
This one is polling today, in case anybody had forgotten (and yes, it is quite easy to) Andrew's Previews - linked to on the council by-elections thread for the day - has not forgotten, and has a detailed preview of it. |
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Jul 18, 2019 11:03:49 GMT
I assume polling cards were issued (unlike community council by-elections), but not freepost?
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jul 18, 2019 11:20:04 GMT
I assume polling cards were issued (unlike community council by-elections), but not freepost? Isn't there normally a booklet of election addresses? |
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Jul 18, 2019 11:55:27 GMT
There wasn't in 2012, can't remember for 2016.
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jamie
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Post by jamie on Jul 18, 2019 13:37:17 GMT
Just voted Labour 1st and Lib Dem 2nd. Nobody else voted while I during the entire time I was there. Quite a few people looked to have already voted though so turnout might not be that abysmal.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2019 19:08:26 GMT
Just voted Labour 1st and Lib Dem 2nd. Nobody else voted while I during the entire time I was there. Quite a few people looked to have already voted though so turnout might not be that abysmal. can I ask what made you decide to use your 2nd preference? |
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Post by jamie on Jul 18, 2019 21:49:26 GMT
can I ask what made you decide to use your 2nd preference? I don’t want the Conservative to win and the independent candidate seems equally useless. Not a fan of the Lib Dem candidate but thought I’d give the 2nd preference on the complete off chance that Labour bomb and come 3rd. May as well use the vote I’ve been given. |
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Post by jamie on Jul 18, 2019 21:58:50 GMT
This has been an incredibly low profile election and the main event has probably been the independent candidate thinking a TV set was a real police station. I don’t know a single other person who has voted and there’s been basically no mention of the election outside political circles and that 1 independent story. None of the candidates seem qualified for the role but McGuinness (Labour) at least seems to want the role to be a glorified advocacy post for greater spending on police. Good enough for me.
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