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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Apr 28, 2019 21:50:18 GMT
Interesting to see that one of the colonies sent a representative.
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Post by therealriga on Apr 28, 2019 21:52:33 GMT
Irritating is, that already UPyD (are they still alive?) as an otherwise leftliberal party was so tough on secessionism. A meaningless coincidence caused by the personal attitudes of their leaders? Or is it rather, that their voters are simply upset by regionalism? UPyD are still alive, but very much on life support. They decided to sit these elections out and supported Cs instead. UPyD's big thing was unionism and this was the reason many of its members split from PSOE. After looking that they'd lost Melilla for the first time since their 1989 formation, the PP now have a 500-vote lead over a regionalist party there in a 3 or 4-way fight. resultados.elpais.com/elecciones/2019/generales/congreso/19/Regional elections are also taking place in Valencia and with 15% counted the left coalition there looks to have shaded it with seat projections PSOE 29 (+6) PP 20 (-11) Cs 17 (+4) Compromis 15 (-4) Vox 10 (new) Podemos 8 (-5) giving PSOE + Compromis + Podemos 52 seats of 99, down three on the last election. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Apr 28, 2019 21:55:04 GMT
Catalonia's CiU got ~35%. Its relicts fell to a third this time (14% 2016) - no surprise for those, who have had a look on the developments since 1977: The regions of the national minorities (Galicia, Vasconia, Catalonia, Valencia, Baleares and Canarias) have been trending from RightRegionalists to the left, while the opposite has been happening to the south (Andalusia, Estremadura [although apparently not this time]).
Will make Spanish politics very nasty.
In an era, when mankind sinks more and more into animality, this is another emerging ethno/race-conflict.
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Post by finsobruce on Apr 28, 2019 21:59:44 GMT
Catalonia's CiU got ~35%. Its relicts fell to a third this time (14% 2016) - no surprise for those, who have had a look on the developments since 1977: The regions of the national minorities (Galicia, Vasconia, Catalonia, Valencia, Baleares and Canarias) have been trending from RightRegionalists to the left, while the opposite has been happening to the south (Andalusia, Estremadura [although apparently not this time]). Will make Spanish politics very nasty. In an era, when mankind sinks more and more into animality, this is another emerging ethno/race-conflict. You're just trying to cheer us up again, aren't you Georg?  |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Apr 28, 2019 22:00:22 GMT
Irritating is, that already UPyD (are they still alive?) as an otherwise leftliberal party was so tough on secessionism. A meaningless coincidence caused by the personal attitudes of their leaders? Or is it rather, that their voters are simply upset by regionalism? UPyD's big thing was unionism and this was the reason many of its members split from PSOE. True - but was it only the personal choice of its leadership or also the preference of its voters? |
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Post by therealriga on Apr 28, 2019 22:09:52 GMT
UPyD's big thing was unionism and this was the reason many of its members split from PSOE. True - but was it only the personal choice of its leadership or also the preference of its voters? Well, the party was set up in the first place by ex-PSOE members and civic groups who thought regional nationalism had gone too far. The votes came later. |
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Post by bolbridge on Apr 28, 2019 22:11:01 GMT
The lesson seems to be that being a centre-right party that tries to be more right-wing that usual is a waste of time if you have a genuinely right-wing party doing well at the same time. Irritating is, that already UPyD (are they still alive?) as an otherwise leftliberal party was so tough on secessionism. A meaningless coincidence caused by the personal attitudes of their leaders? Or is it rather, that their voters are simply upset by regionalism? Ciudadanos also had its roots in left-wing unionism, although Rivera was previously PP and in the past year the party has moved much further right of centre than it already was. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Apr 28, 2019 22:12:40 GMT
I'm sure Sanchez can form a government. After all, if anyone can hold a gun to a Basque's head, it's the PSOE...
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Post by Antiochian on Apr 28, 2019 22:12:55 GMT
Begs the question of how many MEPs Vox will get to make life that much harder for Macron and his ever-closer crowd....
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Post by Georg Ebner on Apr 28, 2019 22:16:25 GMT
Catalonia's CiU got ~35%. Its relicts fell to a third this time (14% 2016) - no surprise for those, who have had a look on the developments since 1977: The regions of the national minorities (Galicia, Vasconia, Catalonia, Valencia, Baleares and Canarias) have been trending from RightRegionalists to the left, while the opposite has been happening to the south (Andalusia, Estremadura [although apparently not this time]). Will make Spanish politics very nasty. In an era, when mankind sinks more and more into animality, this is another emerging ethno/race-conflict. You're just trying to cheer us up again, aren't you Georg? The shifts are evident (see my tables some pages ago) and a federal left dependent (like Your Liberals once) on secessionists will cause lots of troubles and hate within Spain. Navarra, IslasBaleares, Valenciana have already joined the club of centrifugal regionalists to some extent. Aragonese and Leonese are probably really too rarely spoken for any surge of regionalism. |
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Post by mrpastelito on Apr 28, 2019 22:19:53 GMT
I'm sure Sanchez can form a government. After all, if anyone can hold a gun to a Basque's head, it's the PSOE...
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Post by WJ on Apr 28, 2019 22:21:51 GMT
You're just trying to cheer us up again, aren't you Georg? The shifts are evident (see my tables some pages ago) and a federal left dependent (like Your Liberals once) on secessionists will cause lots of troubles and hate within Spain. Navarra, IslasBaleares, Valenciana have already joined the club of centrifugal regionalists to some extent. Aragonese and Leonese are probably really too rarely spoken for any surge of regionalism. Asturias has a strong cultural identity and language too, though the language doesn't have the legal status and protections enjoyed by others. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Apr 28, 2019 22:31:23 GMT
The shifts are evident (see my tables some pages ago) and a federal left dependent (like Your Liberals once) on secessionists will cause lots of troubles and hate within Spain. Navarra, IslasBaleares, Valenciana have already joined the club of centrifugal regionalists to some extent. Aragonese and Leonese are probably really too rarely spoken for any surge of regionalism. Asturias has a strong cultural identity and language too, though the language doesn't have the legal status and protections enjoyed by others. Asturias came also into my mind few minutes ago. And indeed, they have been infamous for being especially encapsulated - a surging regional party there wouldn't surprise me at all. (ForoAsturias was probably too much exPP for succeeding.) |
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Post by andrea on Apr 28, 2019 22:34:50 GMT
99.65% counted
PS up at 123 and EH BILDU down to 4. Rest as it previously was
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Post by Merseymike on Apr 28, 2019 22:42:12 GMT
Maybe a continuation of a PSOE minority government? Sanchez's hand has certainly been strengthened and there seems little appetite for formal coalitions. Perhaps. Though Podemos and the various regional parties are left-leaning in the main. It's a dreadful result for the PP |
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Post by Andrew_S on Apr 28, 2019 22:51:29 GMT
Anyone know what the swing is from right to left overall?
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Post by Georg Ebner on Apr 28, 2019 22:54:05 GMT
I'm sure Sanchez can form a government. After all, if anyone can hold a gun to a Basque's head, it's the PSOE... All in all i can't think of a worse result: As Rivera's PowerLust will let him try to replace PP, a clueless socialist will have to rely on LeftRadicals and can choose between ETA or a referendum on Catalan independence... |
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Post by bolbridge on Apr 28, 2019 22:54:38 GMT
Sanchez has a Catalan-free path to a majority - Podemos, Compromis, PNV, CC and PRC should all be relatively straightforward (although the PNV won’t be cheap) and get him to 177.
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Post by mrpastelito on Apr 28, 2019 23:10:47 GMT
Sanchez has a Catalan-free path to a majority - Podemos, Compromis, PNV, CC and PRC should all be relatively straightforward (although the PNV won’t be cheap) and get him to 177. I only make it 175? |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Apr 28, 2019 23:29:37 GMT
Anyone know what the swing is from right to left overall? 2016: 48.91% Left, 49.91% Right, 1.18% rest (UPyD, EB, most parties below 0.04%) 2019: 51.48% Left, 47.16% Right, 1.36% rest (PRC, GBai, all parties under 0.03%) Left: +2.57%, Right: -2.75%; swing: 2.66% |
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