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Post by Foggy on Apr 28, 2019 18:44:26 GMT
One exit poll claims the PSOE and Unidas Podemos would need to come to an agreement with more than one minor party, whilst another claims they'd need more than one partner. Both show that the potential PP-Cs-Vox pact would be well short of a majority. PACMA are not expected to enter Parliament.  Higher turnout has historically meant a change of government, but it has also usually indicated better news for the left. |
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Post by pragmaticidealist on Apr 28, 2019 18:50:32 GMT
With the broccoli erupting there goes dinner... As for the eggplant.. that could be misconstrued in some circles.. Yeah, they've made a right cock-up by using the eggplant. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2019 19:12:37 GMT
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Post by WJ on Apr 28, 2019 19:30:31 GMT
PSOE doing significantly better than the exit poll suggests so far, Vox and Podemos doing worse. Almost a quarter of votes counted
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Post by Andrew_S on Apr 28, 2019 19:35:14 GMT
Thanks very much, I was searching for this. |
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Post by WJ on Apr 28, 2019 19:55:37 GMT
Half way there. C are rising steadily, PSOE are falling steadily. The rest are not changing much.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Apr 28, 2019 19:59:25 GMT
Stunning result for Vox in Murcia
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Post by andrea on Apr 28, 2019 20:05:55 GMT
60% counted
PS 124 seats
PP 65
Citzens 57
Podemos 42
Vox 23
ERC (Catalonia Republican Left) 15
JXCAT (Together for Catalonia) 7
PNV (Basque Nationalists) 6
Eh BILDU (Basque Country United) 4
CCA - PNC (Canarias Nationalist Party) 2
NA+ 2
Compromis (Valencians) 1
PRC (Regionalist Party of Cantabria= 1
CPM (Coalition for Melilla) 1
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Post by finsobruce on Apr 28, 2019 20:09:18 GMT
Stunning result for Vox in Murcia Murcia was founded by the emir of Cordoba Abd ar-Rahman II in 825 |
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Post by Andrew_S on Apr 28, 2019 20:10:21 GMT
It's not looking good for the PP at the moment. With 63.52% in, they only have a 1.43% lead over the Cs.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Apr 28, 2019 20:20:21 GMT
On the other hand, the biggest increases of TurnOut are reported from Catalunya. Yes, but that makes little difference given the way seats are awarded. Clear, but it indicated, who was motivated to turn out nationwide. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Apr 28, 2019 20:23:50 GMT
Well, 3 parties have fought for those 40-42% of traditional PP-voters - no wonder, that they didn't get more.
C's lost centrists to PSOE and VOX did apparently not gain ProtestVoters/NonVoters/BlueCollars.
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Post by Andrew_S on Apr 28, 2019 20:29:03 GMT
The lesson seems to be that being a centre-right party that tries to be more right-wing that usual is a waste of time if you have a genuinely right-wing party doing well at the same time.
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Post by bolbridge on Apr 28, 2019 20:39:36 GMT
Well, 3 parties have fought for those 40-42% of traditional PP-voters - no wonder, that they didn't get more. C's lost centrists to PSOE and VOX did apparently not gain ProtestVoters/NonVoters/BlueCollars. Vox didn't get Blue Collars in Andalucia anyway. |
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Post by matureleft on Apr 28, 2019 20:44:54 GMT
Maybe a continuation of a PSOE minority government? Sanchez's hand has certainly been strengthened and there seems little appetite for formal coalitions.
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Post by WJ on Apr 28, 2019 20:51:53 GMT
Maybe a continuation of a PSOE minority government? Sanchez's hand has certainly been strengthened and there seems little appetite for formal coalitions. They have 3 months to form a deal. But they need to be seen to disagree with each other for another month at least, as that's when the Autonomies have their elections. |
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Post by markgoodair on Apr 28, 2019 20:54:25 GMT
Stunning result for Vox in Murcia Only two seats actually won. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Apr 28, 2019 21:04:35 GMT
Well, 3 parties have fought for those 40-42% of traditional PP-voters - no wonder, that they didn't get more. C's lost centrists to PSOE and VOX did apparently not gain ProtestVoters/NonVoters/BlueCollars. Vox didn't get Blue Collars in Andalucia anyway. I know; yet, Vox has made after Andalusia several rallies in BlueCollar-areas. Probably there's too much historical baggage for old Socialists to switch to the "Francoists". (So, similar to the UK last time, when xenophobic Labour-Leavers in northern towns stood despite Corbyn and all at their "natural" party). |
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Post by andrea on Apr 28, 2019 21:13:49 GMT
95% counted
PS 122 seats
PP 65
Citzens 57
Podemos 42
Vox 24
ERC (Catalonia Republican Left) 15
JXCAT (Together for Catalonia) 7
PNV (Basque Nationalists) 6
Eh BILDU (Basque Country United) 5
CCA - PNC (Canarias Nationalist Party) 2
NA+ 2
Compromis (Valencians) 1
PRC (Regionalist Party of Cantabria= 1
CPM (Coalition for Melilla) 1
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Post by Georg Ebner on Apr 28, 2019 21:14:36 GMT
The lesson seems to be that being a centre-right party that tries to be more right-wing that usual is a waste of time if you have a genuinely right-wing party doing well at the same time. Irritating is, that already UPyD (are they still alive?) as an otherwise leftliberal party was so tough on secessionism. A meaningless coincidence caused by the personal attitudes of their leaders? Or is it rather, that their voters are simply upset by regionalism? |
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