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Post by WJ on Feb 15, 2019 12:23:42 GMT
Elections have been called for the 28th of April, 2019.
Main parties overview:
PSOE (mainstream left) Recently took over government after toppling the PP. Toppled themselves when Catalan nationalists withdrew their support.
PP (mainstream right) Went into minority government at the last election, but were toppled last year when nationalist parties in Catalonia and the Basque country knifed them.
Ciudadanos (liberal/neo-liberal) More of a right-wing liberal outfit. Recently doing quite well in the polls, in part thanks to their behaviour in Catalonia recently.
Podemos+ (far left) A loose coalition of regional left wing parties. Did rather well during the crisis, but have descended into infighting recently. Not sure what's going on here to be honest but expect them to slide.
Vox (far right) The "new" kids on the block, at least in terms of electoral success. They recently had a massive surge of support in the Andalusian regional election and expect them to do well in southern regions.
Others (regional) A rainbow of different regional parties in Catalonia, Galicia, Asturias, Basque Country, Navarre etc. Some are right wing outfits like Foro Asturias or PDeCAT while others like ERC are left leaning. Not sure which ones will be running seperately or which will be running along side Podemos yet.
Polls suggest that the electorate is still evenly divided, so don't expect a clean solution to this election.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Feb 15, 2019 19:19:11 GMT
Elections have been called for the 28th of April, 2019. Main parties overview: PSOE (mainstream left) Recently took over government after toppling the PP. Toppled themselves when Catalan nationalists withdrew their support. PP (mainstream right) Went into minority government at the last election, but were toppled last year when nationalist parties in Catalonia and the Basque country knifed them. Ciudadanos (liberal/neo-liberal) More of a right-wing liberal outfit. Recently doing quite well in the polls, in part thanks to their behaviour in Catalonia recently. Podemos+ (far left) A loose coalition of regional left wing parties. Did rather well during the crisis, but have descended into infighting recently. Not sure what's going on here to be honest but expect them to slide. Vox (far right) The "new" kids on the block, at least in terms of electoral success. They recently had a massive surge of support in the Andalusian regional election and expect them to do well in southern regions. Others (regional) A rainbow of different regional parties in Catalonia, Galicia, Asturias, Basque Country, Navarre etc. Some are right wing outfits like Foro Asturias or PDeCAT while others like ERC are left leaning. Not sure which ones will be running seperately or which will be running along side Podemos yet. Polls suggest that the electorate is still evenly divided, so don't expect a clean solution to this election. Podemos isn't really "a loose coalition of regional ... parties" - it was, as we know, initially a protest-movement, later added by regional parties. Also i cannot detect, that "polls suggest, that the electorate is still evenly divided" - the opposite! (Although supporters of C's might flow [back] to PSOE.) Undecided is presently, whether PSOE&C's would have a majority (so that C's could at least blackmail PP&VOX). |
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Post by WJ on Feb 16, 2019 0:09:02 GMT
Elections have been called for the 28th of April, 2019. Main parties overview: PSOE (mainstream left) Recently took over government after toppling the PP. Toppled themselves when Catalan nationalists withdrew their support. PP (mainstream right) Went into minority government at the last election, but were toppled last year when nationalist parties in Catalonia and the Basque country knifed them. Ciudadanos (liberal/neo-liberal) More of a right-wing liberal outfit. Recently doing quite well in the polls, in part thanks to their behaviour in Catalonia recently. Podemos+ (far left) A loose coalition of regional left wing parties. Did rather well during the crisis, but have descended into infighting recently. Not sure what's going on here to be honest but expect them to slide. Vox (far right) The "new" kids on the block, at least in terms of electoral success. They recently had a massive surge of support in the Andalusian regional election and expect them to do well in southern regions. Others (regional) A rainbow of different regional parties in Catalonia, Galicia, Asturias, Basque Country, Navarre etc. Some are right wing outfits like Foro Asturias or PDeCAT while others like ERC are left leaning. Not sure which ones will be running seperately or which will be running along side Podemos yet. Polls suggest that the electorate is still evenly divided, so don't expect a clean solution to this election. Podemos isn't really "a loose coalition of regional ... parties" - it was, as we know, initially a protest-movement, later added by regional parties. Also i cannot detect, that "polls suggest, that the electorate is still evenly divided" - the opposite! (Although supporters of C's might flow [back] to PSOE.) Undecided is presently, whether PSOE&C's would have a majority (so that C's could at least blackmail PP&VOX). Sorry yes, I was a bit vague with my language. Podemos certainly started out as one party, but it is severely fragmented now and often along (but not entirely) regional lines. I agree it's a simplistic overview though And by polls being uncertain, I mean that there's no one party that is likely to get an overall majority which until recently was a new phenomenon for Spain. Deals will have to be made and it will probably all hinge on Ciudadanos. As we know they've gone into coalition with PP and Vox in Andalusia, but there's no guarantee that will happen in the national parliament. If PP and C don't get a majority together the pressure to include Vox will cause frictions which will be interesting to see play out. PSOE and C or Podemos would be an interesting result too. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Feb 16, 2019 2:43:43 GMT
It needs to be remembered that Vox aren't a bunch of former Neo-Nazis like the Sweden Democrats, or some such. They come from the PP gene pool. I suspect it won't be as difficult for the Andalusian arrangement to be replicated if Ciudadanos want it.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Feb 16, 2019 4:58:22 GMT
It needs to be remembered that Vox aren't a bunch of former Neo-Nazis like the Sweden Democrats, or some such. They come from the PP gene pool. I suspect it won't be as difficult for the Andalusian arrangement to be replicated if Ciudadanos want it. Yes, and the economical policy shouldn't be too difficult for PP&Cs&VOX, as the appeal of VOX to BlueCollars hasn't been impressive in Andalusia (although such strong polling for the 3 parties alltogether probably means, that VOX has gained lots of FactoryWorkers federally). |
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Post by The Bishop on Feb 16, 2019 9:52:14 GMT
It needs to be remembered that Vox aren't a bunch of former Neo-Nazis like the Sweden Democrats, or some such. They come from the PP gene pool. I suspect it won't be as difficult for the Andalusian arrangement to be replicated if Ciudadanos want it. From the bit of the PP gene pool that still adores Franco, however. I can understand others finding that a touch problematic. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Feb 16, 2019 11:56:05 GMT
It needs to be remembered that Vox aren't a bunch of former Neo-Nazis like the Sweden Democrats, or some such. They come from the PP gene pool. I suspect it won't be as difficult for the Andalusian arrangement to be replicated if Ciudadanos want it. From the bit of the PP gene pool that still adores Franco, however. I can understand others finding that a touch problematic. That's true, but my point is that there is less chance of a cordon sanitaire forming on the Right compared to situations in other places. The closest analogy is the True Finns- they were a breakaway from a long-established party, and therefore were not seen in the same way as the aforementioned SDs, or the Front National, or Vlaams Belang etc. |
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Post by mrpastelito on Feb 16, 2019 14:23:29 GMT
It needs to be remembered that Vox aren't a bunch of former Neo-Nazis like the Sweden Democrats, or some such. They come from the PP gene pool. I suspect it won't be as difficult for the Andalusian arrangement to be replicated if Ciudadanos want it. From the bit of the PP gene pool that still adores Franco, however. I can understand others finding that a touch problematic. That bit would account for around 80% of the PP. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Feb 16, 2019 16:05:22 GMT
From the bit of the PP gene pool that still adores Franco, however. I can understand others finding that a touch problematic. That bit would account for around 80% of the PP. With the Whites declining aso. the ghosts of the 1930ies seem to come back: After the FinancialCrisis the FarLeft and Catalan separatism, now of a Right, that wants to abolish federalism... |
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Post by mboy on Feb 16, 2019 22:42:34 GMT
Well that sucks.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 13:03:07 GMT
are Cs you're kind of party? |
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Post by mboy on Feb 17, 2019 14:28:56 GMT
are Cs you're kind of party? Lol. Which of the other mixture of corruptocrats, nationalists, Francoists, socialists, and outright loons would you expect me to support?  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 14:47:32 GMT
are Cs you're kind of party? Lol. Which of the other mixture of corruptocrats, nationalists, Francoists, socialists, and outright loons would you expect me to support? Cs just seem to be chameleons. They started out as a pro business party. They seemed to move to the centre left and now they appear to be working eith the far right Vox in Andalusia |
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Feb 17, 2019 15:30:06 GMT
Good showing for Vox in one of those polls. The kleptocratic and Catalan skull smashing, yes I know, parties need a shock.
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Post by Merseymike on Feb 17, 2019 15:40:14 GMT
Lol. Which of the other mixture of corruptocrats, nationalists, Francoists, socialists, and outright loons would you expect me to support? Cs just seem to be chameleons. They started out as a pro business party. They seemed to move to the centre left and now they appear to be working eith the far right Vox in Andalusia They seem to be a party for anyone who doesn't fit into the other parties. However their Spanish unionism appears to be the most defining feature. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Feb 17, 2019 20:03:26 GMT
This result, by the way, resulted naturally more and more in a PartySystem of 2+, an increased share of seats for PP&PSOE. And then came the FinancialCrisis... |
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Post by therealriga on Feb 20, 2019 11:31:32 GMT
Europapress (in Spanish here:https://www.europapress.es/asturias/noticia-bajada-poblacion-asturias-reduce-representacion-congreso-diputados-proximas-generales-20190220102710.html) suggesting that Asturias and Valencia will lose a seat and Barcelona and Madrid will gain a seat.
That would change the baseline from the last election as follows
PP -1 (Asturias)
Podemos/Compromis -1 (Valencia)
PSOE +1 (Barcelona)
Citizens +1 (Madrid)
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Post by john07 on Feb 22, 2019 22:17:11 GMT
It needs to be remembered that Vox aren't a bunch of former Neo-Nazis like the Sweden Democrats, or some such. They come from the PP gene pool. So Vox are a bunch of neo-Francoists? |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Feb 22, 2019 22:20:46 GMT
It needs to be remembered that Vox aren't a bunch of former Neo-Nazis like the Sweden Democrats, or some such. They come from the PP gene pool. So Vox are a bunch of neo-Francoists? Yes. |
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