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Post by Georg Ebner on Mar 2, 2019 11:09:54 GMT
Poll by "GAD3" for the PSOE-regions (naturally not affecting the GeneralElection directly, but indirectly):  |
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Post by Foggy on Mar 29, 2019 1:27:27 GMT
The PP are likely indifferent to the plan. They just want to energise their base in order to avoid losing too many votes to Vox. They have also, peculiarly, agreed to a joint candidacy called 'NA+' with Ciudadanos – as well as the Unión del Pueblo Navarro, as expected – for the Senate in the Pamplona constituency. Navarre is one of the few regions where Ciudadanos do not have any representation in the autonomous legislature (alongside Galicia, the Basque Country, the Canary Islands and Castille-La Mancha). If anybody wants to check if they can spot further unusual arrangements of this type, then they are free to go through the entire SOPN with a fine tooth comb. |
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Post by WJ on Apr 9, 2019 16:48:39 GMT
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Apr 9, 2019 20:00:18 GMT
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Post by WJ on Apr 10, 2019 5:59:24 GMT
Some more info gleaned from the article. Of those toss-up provinces, most are a flight between the PP and PSOE. Meanwhile Segovia, Zamora and Teruel are a three way toss up with Ciudadanos too. And Cuenca is a three way between PSOE, PP & Vox.
Podemos (or whatever they are now) has seemingly vanished from the national consciousness.
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Post by WJ on Apr 10, 2019 8:49:05 GMT
The Puigdemont groupies won't be happy. Word on the street is that PDeCAT (sic) et al. are looking to dump Puigdemont and form a new party. I've just heard this second hand from my boyfriend, I've not read it (or tried to search for articles) about it. |
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Post by The Bishop on Apr 10, 2019 10:18:55 GMT
Podemos (or whatever they are now) has seemingly vanished from the national consciousness. Well that is a *slight* exaggeration given that they are still above the much hyped Vox in most polls. But yes, a few years ago they looked set to sweep PSOE aside as the main left wing force in Spain and possibly become the top party. What happened? |
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Post by Merseymike on Apr 10, 2019 10:26:58 GMT
Podemos (or whatever they are now) has seemingly vanished from the national consciousness. Well that is a *slight* exaggeration given that they are still above the much hyped Vox in most polls. But yes, a few years ago they looked set to sweep PSOE aside as the main left wing force in Spain and possibly become the top party. What happened? PSOE changed its leader and got into government! |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Apr 10, 2019 10:36:26 GMT
PSOE changed its leader and got into government! Now that's an idea! |
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Post by The Bishop on Apr 10, 2019 10:38:59 GMT
They also moved significantly to the left in doing so, you strangely omitted to mention that bit  Could things have been different I wonder if they had chosen their own equivalent of Liz Kendall (ie Susana Diaz) The recent result in Andalucia suggests - quite possibly. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Apr 10, 2019 11:22:12 GMT
A comparison of 1977 with 2016 ("Reg."=regionalists, "I.N."=national Left aso.): drive.google.com/file/d/16JhQ8djIHuQNc6ppozOT40ke-jf70NnB/view?usp=sharingMaps:     Galicia has moved continuously to the left; in Extremadura UCD had and PP+C's have performed very well (after all it's the HomeRegion of DONOSO CORTEZ...), but in the 1980ies and 1990ies this was very different; Valenciana has voted contrarily et cet. |
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Post by Merseymike on Apr 10, 2019 11:27:45 GMT
PSOE changed its leader and got into government! Now that's an idea! Only they replaced a right wing leader with one more to the left.....now, who is to the left of Jeremy in line to be his successor?  |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Apr 10, 2019 11:29:19 GMT
They also moved significantly to the left in doing so, you strangely omitted to mention that bit Could things have been different I wonder if they had chosen their own equivalent of Liz Kendall (ie Susana Diaz) The recent result in Andalucia suggests - quite possibly. The PSOE making a cynical move in order to get what they want or to cling to power? Unprecedented! |
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Post by WJ on Apr 10, 2019 15:03:18 GMT
Podemos (or whatever they are now) has seemingly vanished from the national consciousness. Well that is a *slight* exaggeration given that they are still above the much hyped Vox in most polls. But yes, a few years ago they looked set to sweep PSOE aside as the main left wing force in Spain and possibly become the top party. What happened? Yes, it's more than a slight exaggeration. But as you say, they really have lost their way. They've had a lot of infighting at the top of the party recently which may have destabilised things. I guess polling (and creating those maps) for them is quite difficult too, as small, regional parties continually go into and break coalitions with them. |
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Post by Merseymike on Apr 10, 2019 15:36:51 GMT
Well that is a *slight* exaggeration given that they are still above the much hyped Vox in most polls. But yes, a few years ago they looked set to sweep PSOE aside as the main left wing force in Spain and possibly become the top party. What happened? Yes, it's more than a slight exaggeration. But as you say, they really have lost their way. They've had a lot of infighting at the top of the party recently which may have destabilised things. I guess polling (and creating those maps) for them is quite difficult too, as small, regional parties continually go into and break coalitions with them. And also, the PSOE has to an extent found its way - and many Podemos voters are usually PSOE supporters. I'd probably vote PSOE now, whereas I'd have definitely gone for Podemos last time |
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Post by john07 on Apr 10, 2019 15:51:52 GMT
PSOE changed its leader and got into government! Now that's an idea! It will never catch on. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Apr 17, 2019 17:26:46 GMT
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Post by WJ on Apr 19, 2019 7:44:49 GMT
How the regions&provinces have been trending Right-Left:     Don't rely too much on these numbers, please: I didn't take the small parties (national®ional) into account, also not UPyD (left?, right?) and the Navarrese nationalists (left [EhBildu]?, right [PNV]?) aso. Tsk tsk. Calling the provinces of Asturias and Cantabria, Oviedo and Santander respectively would get you into trouble if you were on the north coast! |
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