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Post by markgoodair on Nov 10, 2019 22:13:10 GMT
For the sake of stability is there a prospect of a Grand coalition between PP and PSOE?
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Post by Georg Ebner on Nov 10, 2019 22:14:21 GMT
While the official site here: ...has become quite trashy in the recent past - at least my iPhone doesn't get regional results - ABC provides at the provincial results even maps of the "winner" (=first place) per municipality: www.abc.es/elecciones/elecciones-generales/resultados/ |
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Post by andrea on Nov 10, 2019 22:15:46 GMT
Seat changes? Looks bad for Cs  PSOE -3 PP +21 Vox +28 Podemos -7 Cs -47 |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Nov 10, 2019 22:15:49 GMT
For the sake of stability is there a prospect of a Grand coalition between PP and PSOE? Perhaps - but what will the stability look like at the next election then? |
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Post by Toylyyev on Nov 10, 2019 22:19:09 GMT
While the official site here: ...has become quite trashy in the recent past - at least my iPhone doesn't get regional results - ABC provides at the provincial results even maps of the "winner" (=first place) per municipality: www.abc.es/elecciones/elecciones-generales/resultados/They are available by clicking on the circle with a magnifying glass close to the upper left corner of the page. |
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Post by WJ on Nov 10, 2019 22:22:03 GMT
Seat changes? Looks bad for Cs They've lost over 80% of their MPs. Not a great day for them. Rivera has just gone on TV, he's not resigned... yet. If he doesn't jump, he'll probably get pushed. |
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Post by finsobruce on Nov 10, 2019 22:23:51 GMT
Seat changes? Looks bad for Cs They've lost over 80% of their MPs. Not a great day for them. Rivera has just gone on TV, he's not resigned... yet. I f he doesn't jump, he'll probably get pushed.By who? There's practically none of them left.  |
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Post by WJ on Nov 10, 2019 22:24:29 GMT
For the sake of stability is there a prospect of a Grand coalition between PP and PSOE? Highly unlikely. Spain is still getting used to the idea of making coalitions with parties on the same wing as them, let alone crossing the divide. |
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Post by curiousliberal on Nov 10, 2019 22:25:49 GMT
They've lost over 80% of their MPs. Not a great day for them. Rivera has just gone on TV, he's not resigned... yet. I f he doesn't jump, he'll probably get pushed.By who? There's practically none of them left. The smaller fish. Think Farron and Lamb in the wake of Clegg. This is all too familiar, but Vox are far stronger than UKIP were and far nastier to boot. I hope they share the fate of Dick Braine's party on an expedited timetable. |
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Post by CatholicLeft on Nov 10, 2019 22:28:23 GMT
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Post by curiousliberal on Nov 10, 2019 22:30:35 GMT
Yeah, but they took a totally unnecessary hit for this. If PSOE couldn't include them in the Cabinet for political reasons, they should have accepted this in exchange for more policy concessions. |
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Post by finsobruce on Nov 10, 2019 22:31:32 GMT
By who? There's practically none of them left. The smaller fish. Think Farron and Lamb in the wake of Clegg. This is all too familiar, but Vox are far stronger than UKIP were and far nastier to boot. I hope they share the fate of Dick Braine's party on an expedited timetable.Well, they have big numbers national representation now, which UKIP never had , and certainly not under The Braine. So it may be a little more difficult.
If looking at the figures in a fairly bald way they seem to have taken most support from the C's. It would be interesting to see any vote switching info.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Nov 10, 2019 22:33:47 GMT
Which seats of Cs survived?:
3 Madrid
3 Andalucia (Cadiz, Malaga, Sevilla)
2 Valencia (Alicante, Valencia)
2 Cataluna (both in Barcelona)
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Post by curiousliberal on Nov 10, 2019 22:34:15 GMT
The smaller fish. Think Farron and Lamb in the wake of Clegg. This is all too familiar, but Vox are far stronger than UKIP were and far nastier to boot. I hope they share the fate of Dick Braine's party on an expedited timetable.Well, they have big numbers national representation now, which UKIP never had , and certainly not under The Braine. So it may be a little more difficult.
If looking at the figures in a fairly bald way they seem to have taken most support from the C's. It would be interesting to see any vote switching info.
UKIP had plenty of high-profile MEPs. That actually hurt them because they were mostly, as Cameron surmised, fruitcakes and loonies. I can only hope the same happens to Vox. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Nov 10, 2019 22:34:46 GMT
Which seats of Cs survived?: 3 Madrid 3 Andalucia (Cadiz, Malaga, Sevilla) 2 Valencia (Alicante, Valencia) 2 Cataluna (both in Barcelona) Ah, the bourgeois citadels survived! |
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Post by finsobruce on Nov 10, 2019 22:36:39 GMT
Well, they have big numbers national representation now, which UKIP never had , and certainly not under The Braine. So it may be a little more difficult.
If looking at the figures in a fairly bald way they seem to have taken most support from the C's. It would be interesting to see any vote switching info.
UKIP had plenty of high-profile MEPs. That actually hurt them because they were mostly, as Cameron surmised, fruitcakes and loonies. I can only hope the same happens to Vox. They were certainly the architects of their own destruction but once their core policy - Brexit - became reality, the game was almost certainly up in any case.
Vox are a completely different kettle of fish.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Nov 10, 2019 22:36:40 GMT
For the sake of stability is there a prospect of a Grand coalition between PP and PSOE? Highly unlikely. Spain is still getting used to the idea of making coalitions with parties on the same wing as them, let alone crossing the divide. It would be astonishing if it happened. It would almost be the final end of the civil war. |
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Post by WJ on Nov 10, 2019 22:39:32 GMT
PSOE have topped the vote in 30 of the 50 regions of Spain. PP have won in 9 regions (Cantabria, A Coruna, Ourense, Lugo, Zamora, Salamanca, Avila, Palencia, Segovia). Vox have topped two (Ceuta and Murcia) and they came close in a 3rd (Almeria). The other 9 were regional outfits. ERC took three of the four Catalan regions (Tarragona, Girona, Lleida); PNV took the three Basque regions; and then Teruel Existe, Navarra Suma and Coalicion por Melilla.
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Post by WJ on Nov 10, 2019 22:41:54 GMT
PSOE have topped the vote in 30 of the 50 regions of Spain. PP have won in 9 regions (Cantabria, A Coruna, Ourense, Lugo, Zamora, Salamanca, Avila, Palencia, Segovia). Vox have topped two (Ceuta and Murcia) and they came close in a 3rd (Almeria). The other 9 were regional outfits. ERC took three of the four Catalan regions (Tarragona, Girona, Lleida); PNV took the three Basque regions; and then Teruel Existe, Navarra Suma and Coalicion por Melilla. Sorry, as I compiled that list, PP ended up bouncing CpM from the top of the list in Melilla. Still a few more votes to count there and less that 1% point between the two parties, so it could still change... |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Nov 10, 2019 22:42:47 GMT
. Vox have topped two (Ceuta and Murcia). Hmmm. Least surprising result of the day goes to Ceuta. Followed my Mellilla not following suit. |
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