Peterborough

[lennon]

Sept 19, 2019 10:52:50 GMT yellowperil said:

Sept 19, 2019 9:27:57 GMT Davıd Boothroyd said:

The Peterborough Telegraph has been through the expenses returns. (Limit was £100,000 as for all Parliamentary byelections)

Lisa Forbes (Labour) £82,708.32, including £7,357.72 on Facebook ads, £9,823 on other adverts, £12,685.04 on printing, and £600 to hire the Holiday Inn for a Gordon Brown speech
Mike Greene (Brexit Party) £76,656.61, including £2,620.30 on newspaper adverts, £9,271.49 on Facebook, and £21,420.20 on printing. Also includes £8,400 on security.
Paul Bristow (Conservative) £91,206.32, of which printing was £44,113.45, and £7,889.27 was media and digital advertising. The transport expenses were nil.
Beki Sellick (Liberal Democrat) £26,880.44, with printing covering £17,737.40 and advertising totalling £1,977.52
John Whitby (UKIP) £7,822, of which £6,340 was for printing leaflets.
Peter Ward (Renew) £17,984 including £4,677.23 on Facebook advertising, £1,200 on digital marketing and £5,579.76 on digital advertising, all for 45 votes.
Patrick O'Flynn (SDP) £18,599.35 for the scarcely better total of 135 votes.
Joseph Wells (Green Party) £10 but the Peterborough Telegraph has reminded them that a visit by Natalie Bennett incurred £15 more.
Alan Hope (Loony) £nil.

Later in the paper there's a full page advert for Mike Greene.

Perhaps worth putting those expenses and votes they "bought" alongside, at least for the major players:

Labour £82,708  and 10,484 votes
BxP       £76,656 and    9,801 votes 
Con       £91,206 and    7,243 votes
LD          £26,880 and    4,149 votes
SDP        £ 18,599 and      135 votes
Renew   £  17,984 and      45 votes
UKIP        £ 7822   and       400 votes
GP                   £10   and  1,045 votes  
MRLP                £0   and     112 votes

I assume the other 6 candidates also had nil returns like the Loonies, and between them garnered 506 votes.   
What conclusions should I draw? Maybe if you are looking for value for money don't look to the Conservatives, who are even rather worse than Labour at getting a return on their investment, and LDs are significantly better than either without doing brilliantly, either.  Brexiteers, on the other hand, might have spent more and won if they had really believed in themselves? They should have bought out  UKIP? One just have to assume SDP and Renew were spending to buy something different than  actual votes ? The Green Party are brilliant at getting something for nothing as long as they weren't interested in a serious campaign. Or of course expenses returns aren't worth the paper they are written on, and should be up for a major fiction prize?

When it comes to these sorts of comparisons - I always think that it's more accurate to include the £500 deposit as well (for those that don't retain it) Makes the 'Vote per £' numbers slightly more sensible / realistic for the smaller players,

[markgoodair]

Works out at
£7.89 per Labour vote
£7.82 per Brexit Party LTD vote
£12.59 per Conservative vote
£6.49 per Liberal Democrat vote
£137.77 per Renew Vote
£19.56 per UKIP vote
and just under a penny for each Green Party vote.

[yellowperil]

Sept 19, 2019 11:24:19 GMT lennon said:

Sept 19, 2019 10:52:50 GMT yellowperil said:

Perhaps worth putting those expenses and votes they "bought" alongside, at least for the major players:

Labour £82,708  and 10,484 votes
BxP       £76,656 and    9,801 votes 
Con       £91,206 and    7,243 votes
LD          £26,880 and    4,149 votes
SDP        £ 18,599 and      135 votes
Renew   £  17,984 and      45 votes
UKIP        £ 7822   and       400 votes
GP                   £10   and  1,045 votes  
MRLP                £0   and     112 votes

I assume the other 6 candidates also had nil returns like the Loonies, and between them garnered 506 votes.   
What conclusions should I draw? Maybe if you are looking for value for money don't look to the Conservatives, who are even rather worse than Labour at getting a return on their investment, and LDs are significantly better than either without doing brilliantly, either.  Brexiteers, on the other hand, might have spent more and won if they had really believed in themselves? They should have bought out  UKIP? One just have to assume SDP and Renew were spending to buy something different than  actual votes ? The Green Party are brilliant at getting something for nothing as long as they weren't interested in a serious campaign. Or of course expenses returns aren't worth the paper they are written on, and should be up for a major fiction prize?

When it comes to these sorts of comparisons - I always think that it's more accurate to include the £500 deposit as well (for those that don't retain it) Makes the 'Vote per £' numbers slightly more sensible / realistic for the smaller players,

fair point, but I wouldn't take my comments above too seriously.