Peterborough

[John Chanin]

Jun 12, 2019 6:00:50 GMT matureleft said:

Is it perhaps meant that he was distributing application forms for postal votes?

This is a quite likely source for the start of the urban myth.

[Crimson King]

not even a particular useful excersise. Had the councillor had been collecting postal ballots....... (and that does happen)

[timmullen1]

There’s also the question of why said councillor was stuffing 8 or 9 postal votes in each door, it suggests an unusual concentration of HMO’s.

[redtony]

At the Hammersmith & Fulham council elections last year Greg Hands M.P made an official complaint of postal vote fraud with the police no less against Labour canvassers asking people to sign Postal vote application forms In Fulham

[polaris]

This paranoid nonsense is a sad sign of the times. I've no doubt that had the boot been on the other foot, and the Brexit Party had narrowly won, there would have been Corbynites on social media (none of whom have ever been near an election count) who would have been claiming fraud.

[Merseymike]

Jun 12, 2019 11:41:38 GMT polaris said:

This paranoid nonsense is a sad sign of the times. I've no doubt that had the boot been on the other foot, and the Brexit Party had narrowly won, there would have been Corbynites on social media (none of whom have ever been near an election count) who would have been claiming fraud.

Strange conclusion. Those who are complaining about postal votes on the relevant threads are largely supporters of centre parties

[neilm]

Jun 12, 2019 11:57:21 GMT Merseymike said:

Jun 12, 2019 11:41:38 GMT polaris said:

This paranoid nonsense is a sad sign of the times. I've no doubt that had the boot been on the other foot, and the Brexit Party had narrowly won, there would have been Corbynites on social media (none of whom have ever been near an election count) who would have been claiming fraud.

Strange conclusion. Those who are complaining about postal votes on the relevant threads are largely supporters of centre parties

I think polaris is referring to the stuff on social media.

[timmullen1]

Jun 12, 2019 11:58:50 GMT neilm said:

Jun 12, 2019 11:57:21 GMT Merseymike said:

Strange conclusion. Those who are complaining about postal votes on the relevant threads are largely supporters of centre parties

I think polaris is referring to the stuff on social media.

Actually following the evening on Twitter was quite amusing: from about 9.30-10.30 the hashtag Peterborough was full of Tweets from users with the hashtags JC4PM and/or GOTS complaining that “the establishment”, and apparently Laura Kuennesberg specifically, would make votes disappear so that The Brexit Party won, and then when BP people at the count started downplaying their chances Twitter switched to BP supporters alleging postal vote fraud, multiple voting in BAME Wards, false names on the electoral register, and the bizarre “I couldn’t vote online”.

[Merseymike]

Jun 12, 2019 11:58:50 GMT neilm said:

Jun 12, 2019 11:57:21 GMT Merseymike said:

Strange conclusion. Those who are complaining about postal votes on the relevant threads are largely supporters of centre parties

I think polaris is referring to the stuff on social media.

I don't have Twitter, so I really wouldn't know, and in any case, few of them have any active involvement with politics other than sitting behind a keyboard in St. Petersburg!

[polaris]

Jun 12, 2019 11:58:50 GMT neilm said:

Jun 12, 2019 11:57:21 GMT Merseymike said:

Strange conclusion. Those who are complaining about postal votes on the relevant threads are largely supporters of centre parties

I think polaris is referring to the stuff on social media.

That's what I was referring to, yes.

[East Anglian Lefty]

Jun 12, 2019 11:31:02 GMT redtony said:

At the Hammersmith & Fulham council elections last year Greg Hands M.P made an official complaint of postal vote fraud with the police no less against Labour canvassers asking people to sign Postal vote application forms In Fulham

From which we learn that Greg Hands likes wasting police time. There's nothing illegal or illegitimate in asking your supporters to apply for postal votes.

[hedgehog]

Jun 11, 2019 14:01:56 GMT finsobruce said:

Jun 11, 2019 6:02:03 GMT hedgehog said:

Yes, but that's because of the way council and constituency boundaries don't coincide.

Lots of people who voted in the Peterborough local elections, but didn't realise they were in the North West Cambridgeshire constituency for instance.

A very pertinent point. I still have a sneaking suspicion/sinking feeling that some enquiries came from further afield though.

Maybe the odd hard of hearing person in County Durham, 'I hear there is a by-election in Peterlee' , 'no its in Peterborough', 'yes that's what I said Peterlee, where's my polling card', 'Sir, it's in Peterborough', 'trying to deny me my right to vote are you', hangs up.

[Merseymike]

Jun 13, 2019 8:56:23 GMT East Anglian Lefty said:

Jun 12, 2019 11:31:02 GMT redtony said:

At the Hammersmith & Fulham council elections last year Greg Hands M.P made an official complaint of postal vote fraud with the police no less against Labour canvassers asking people to sign Postal vote application forms In Fulham

From which we learn that Greg Hands likes wasting police time. There's nothing illegal or illegitimate in asking your supporters to apply for postal votes.

We always carry application forms with us when canvassing. It's a right to vote by post. The sooner some people grasp that, the better.

[timmullen1]

Jun 13, 2019 8:56:23 GMT East Anglian Lefty said:

Jun 12, 2019 11:31:02 GMT redtony said:

At the Hammersmith & Fulham council elections last year Greg Hands M.P made an official complaint of postal vote fraud with the police no less against Labour canvassers asking people to sign Postal vote application forms In Fulham

From which we learn that Greg Hands likes wasting police time. There's nothing illegal or illegitimate in asking your supporters to apply for postal votes.

I even had a text from my Conservative candidate in the council election, who I vaguely know from when we were opposing Agents, giving me the weblink to apply for a postal vote (about 23 years too late, but I suppose it’s the though that counts).

[greenchristian]

Jun 13, 2019 12:26:45 GMT Merseymike said:

Jun 13, 2019 8:56:23 GMT East Anglian Lefty said:

From which we learn that Greg Hands likes wasting police time. There's nothing illegal or illegitimate in asking your supporters to apply for postal votes.

We always carry application forms with us when canvassing. It's a right to vote by post. The sooner some people grasp that, the better.

Well, quite. If you come across a definite voter for your party who's going to be away on polling day of course you're going to give them a postal or proxy application form.

[Deleted]

There was at one time a series of videos on YouTube made by various crackpots and looneytunes, which were quite entertaining, and which claimed that the Conservatives only won the 2015 election due to election rigging. There were claims made about van loads of ballot papers going missing, etc etc. There was no evidence for this other than the claim by the video maker. But I noticed that one particular video had many thousands of views and likes.

That made me wonder how many people actually accepted the claims in the video, which wouldn't have withstood even mildest of scrutiny?

In the earlier days of postal votes it would have been relatively easy for postal vote fraud to take place. Basically anyone could register to vote. But in the 2010 election there was significant evidence of postal vote fraud in areas with high Pakistani/Bangladeshi populations. Halifax, Tower Hamlets and Leicester being examples.

This is what brought about a tightening of the system and rightly so. The integrity of the ballot is far more important than a little bit of difficulty for the odd voter.

Has there been fraud in Peterborough? It is hard to say, but obviously it is much more difficult to do it these days with security checks and so on. 

In the EU elections I heard many people claiming that the count was held back until Sunday so as the vote could be rigged. Obviously we know why it was held back but these people seriously believed it. I wonder how stupid they felt when the Brexit Party romped away with most of the seats?

[markgoodair]

Jun 14, 2019 17:46:06 GMT @sirthomasmore said:

There was at one time a series of videos on YouTube made by various crackpots and looneytunes, which were quite entertaining, and which claimed that the Conservatives only won the 2015 election due to election rigging. There were claims made about van loads of ballot papers going missing, etc etc. There was no evidence for this other than the claim by the video maker. But I noticed that one particular video had many thousands of views and likes.

That made me wonder how many people actually accepted the claims in the video, which wouldn't have withstood even mildest of scrutiny?

In the earlier days of postal votes it would have been relatively easy for postal vote fraud to take place. Basically anyone could register to vote. But in the 2010 election there was significant evidence of postal vote fraud in areas with high Pakistani/Bangladeshi populations. Halifax, Tower Hamlets and Leicester being examples.

This is what brought about a tightening of the system and rightly so. The integrity of the ballot is far more important than a little bit of difficulty for the odd voter.

Has there been fraud in Peterborough? It is hard to say, but obviously it is much more difficult to do it these days with security checks and so on. 

In the EU elections I heard many people claiming that the count was held back until Sunday so as the vote could be rigged. Obviously we know why it was held back but these people seriously believed it. I wonder how stupid they felt when the Brexit Party romped away with most of the seats?

Im afraid that you will find that most Brexiters are as thick as pig shit and will believe any guilible lie that they are told.

[Pete Whitehead]

Jun 14, 2019 23:27:55 GMT markgoodair said:

Jun 14, 2019 17:46:06 GMT @sirthomasmore said:

There was at one time a series of videos on YouTube made by various crackpots and looneytunes, which were quite entertaining, and which claimed that the Conservatives only won the 2015 election due to election rigging. There were claims made about van loads of ballot papers going missing, etc etc. There was no evidence for this other than the claim by the video maker. But I noticed that one particular video had many thousands of views and likes.

That made me wonder how many people actually accepted the claims in the video, which wouldn't have withstood even mildest of scrutiny?

In the earlier days of postal votes it would have been relatively easy for postal vote fraud to take place. Basically anyone could register to vote. But in the 2010 election there was significant evidence of postal vote fraud in areas with high Pakistani/Bangladeshi populations. Halifax, Tower Hamlets and Leicester being examples.

This is what brought about a tightening of the system and rightly so. The integrity of the ballot is far more important than a little bit of difficulty for the odd voter.

Has there been fraud in Peterborough? It is hard to say, but obviously it is much more difficult to do it these days with security checks and so on. 

In the EU elections I heard many people claiming that the count was held back until Sunday so as the vote could be rigged. Obviously we know why it was held back but these people seriously believed it. I wonder how stupid they felt when the Brexit Party romped away with most of the seats?

Im afraid that you will find that most Brexiters are as thick as pig shit and will believe any guilible lie that they are told.

How can a lie be gullible? As I'm as thick as pig shit you're going to have to explain that to me. Unless I'm not the one who is..

[spqr]

Jun 15, 2019 6:03:28 GMT Pete Whitehead said:

Jun 14, 2019 23:27:55 GMT markgoodair said:

Im afraid that you will find that most Brexiters are as thick as pig shit and will believe any guilible lie that they are told.

How can a lie be gullible? As I'm as thick as pig shit you're going to have to explain that to me. Unless I'm not the one who is..

To be fair to him, he said "guilible", whatever that means...

[iwobserver]

Jun 14, 2019 23:27:55 GMT markgoodair said:

Jun 14, 2019 17:46:06 GMT @sirthomasmore said:

There was at one time a series of videos on YouTube made by various crackpots and looneytunes, which were quite entertaining, and which claimed that the Conservatives only won the 2015 election due to election rigging. There were claims made about van loads of ballot papers going missing, etc etc. There was no evidence for this other than the claim by the video maker. But I noticed that one particular video had many thousands of views and likes.

That made me wonder how many people actually accepted the claims in the video, which wouldn't have withstood even mildest of scrutiny?

In the earlier days of postal votes it would have been relatively easy for postal vote fraud to take place. Basically anyone could register to vote. But in the 2010 election there was significant evidence of postal vote fraud in areas with high Pakistani/Bangladeshi populations. Halifax, Tower Hamlets and Leicester being examples.

This is what brought about a tightening of the system and rightly so. The integrity of the ballot is far more important than a little bit of difficulty for the odd voter.

Has there been fraud in Peterborough? It is hard to say, but obviously it is much more difficult to do it these days with security checks and so on. 

In the EU elections I heard many people claiming that the count was held back until Sunday so as the vote could be rigged. Obviously we know why it was held back but these people seriously believed it. I wonder how stupid they felt when the Brexit Party romped away with most of the seats?

Im afraid that you will find that most Brexiters are as thick as pig shit and will believe any guilible lie that they are told.

Clearly, the remain side lost the referendum because they were somewhat bashful about demonstrating their intellectual superiority.

Telling the voters how thick they are could be the ace in the pack for the Lib Dems in future elections.

I'm sure Chuka, if he becomes leader, wouldn't be shy in promoting what would obviously be a winning strategy for the party.