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Post by timrollpickering on Jul 21, 2019 18:11:01 GMT
Other than this (and this could just be a request to gear up following the Brexit Party press conference), has there been any sign whatsoever that this petition actually exists? Or could we have another party that follows the philosophy of "Announce first, Details second"? |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jul 23, 2019 14:59:48 GMT
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Post by iainbhx on Jul 23, 2019 20:27:36 GMT
I still don't think this petition exists you know.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Aug 6, 2019 11:53:10 GMT
The sad but inevitable consequence of a conviction for perverting the course of justice:
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Post by gwynthegriff on Aug 6, 2019 11:54:14 GMT
The sad but inevitable consequence of a conviction for perverting the course of justice: Sad? |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Aug 6, 2019 12:01:06 GMT
The sad but inevitable consequence of a conviction for perverting the course of justice: Sad? Yes, sad. She's lost two careers, a massive amount of money, her liberty for several months, and her good name, all for a misguided attempt to help her brother who was plainly not worthy of it. I'd say that's very sad. |
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Post by carlton43 on Aug 6, 2019 12:13:02 GMT
Yes, sad. She's lost two careers, a massive amount of money, her liberty for several months, and her good name, all for a misguided attempt to help her brother who was plainly not worthy of it. I'd say that's very sad. Complete rubbish. She was an elected law maker and an accredited officer of the Court and yet freely chose to not only pervert the course of justice, but to deny the truth persistently and after her brother had confessed, to try and fit up an innocent foreigner, to lie to the police. And all over a matter so minor as to be not worth a second thought. She richly deserves this and got far too lenient a sentence. |
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Post by Merseymike on Aug 7, 2019 9:31:55 GMT
I simply don't know why she did it. Speeding points - that's what we are talking about
Something most drivers get at one time or another.
It's almost as if she started believing her own lies and the entire story ran away with itself
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Post by john07 on Aug 7, 2019 9:35:08 GMT
Well, when is this mythical petition going to be submitted?
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Aug 7, 2019 9:46:17 GMT
I simply don't know why she did it. Speeding points - that's what we are talking about Something most drivers get at one time or another. It's almost as if she started believing her own lies and the entire story ran away with itself Me neither. She started with a bizarre lack of proportion and then got worse. Leaving aside the criminal and moral issues, she showed she hasn't the judgement to be an MP. It is sort of sad but in the long run a lucky escape for her constituents. |
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Post by Merseymike on Aug 7, 2019 9:49:58 GMT
I simply don't know why she did it. Speeding points - that's what we are talking about Something most drivers get at one time or another. It's almost as if she started believing her own lies and the entire story ran away with itself Me neither. She started with a bizarre lack of proportion and then got worse. Leaving aside the criminal and moral issues, she showed she hasn't the judgement to be an MP. It is sort of sad but in the long run a lucky escape for her constituents. To be honest when she then started on the religious martyrdom stuff I thought things weren't right. It just seems all so odd. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2019 9:52:13 GMT
Me neither. She started with a bizarre lack of proportion and then got worse. Leaving aside the criminal and moral issues, she showed she hasn't the judgement to be an MP. It is sort of sad but in the long run a lucky escape for her constituents. To be honest when she then started on the religious martyrdom stuff I thought things weren't right. It just seems all so odd. The more exposure she got, the greater the suspicion that she is actually a bit bonkers. |
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Post by Merseymike on Aug 7, 2019 9:54:12 GMT
To be honest when she then started on the religious martyrdom stuff I thought things weren't right. It just seems all so odd. The more exposure she got, the greater the suspicion that she is actually a bit bonkers. Well. I wanted to avoid that word, but whether the case unravelled her somewhat I don't know. I hope she can get some assistance. |
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Post by carlton43 on Aug 7, 2019 10:05:58 GMT
I simply don't know why she did it. Speeding points - that's what we are talking about Something most drivers get at one time or another. It's almost as if she started believing her own lies and the entire story ran away with itself I think that may be the essence of it Mike. It is an awful warning to us all not to get swept along in thoughtless action beyond the point of reason. I should know as I have done it often enough in words but happily tend not to do so in actions. |
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Post by The Bishop on Aug 7, 2019 10:29:40 GMT
Well, when is this mythical petition going to be submitted? You can't ask questions like that! |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Aug 21, 2019 10:48:36 GMT
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Post by timrollpickering on Sept 12, 2019 16:33:17 GMT
Apparently the petition is going to court on October 27:
No doubt various procedural hearings to determine such key questions as whether or not Mike Greene was a candidate in the election (and thus has standing to bring the petition) will be held up as vindication of the challenge.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Sept 19, 2019 9:27:57 GMT
The Peterborough Telegraph has been through the expenses returns. (Limit was £100,000 as for all Parliamentary byelections)
Lisa Forbes (Labour) £82,708.32, including £7,357.72 on Facebook ads, £9,823 on other adverts, £12,685.04 on printing, and £600 to hire the Holiday Inn for a Gordon Brown speech
Mike Greene (Brexit Party) £76,656.61, including £2,620.30 on newspaper adverts, £9,271.49 on Facebook, and £21,420.20 on printing. Also includes £8,400 on security.
Paul Bristow (Conservative) £91,206.32, of which printing was £44,113.45, and £7,889.27 was media and digital advertising. The transport expenses were nil.
Beki Sellick (Liberal Democrat) £26,880.44, with printing covering £17,737.40 and advertising totalling £1,977.52
John Whitby (UKIP) £7,822, of which £6,340 was for printing leaflets.
Peter Ward (Renew) £17,984 including £4,677.23 on Facebook advertising, £1,200 on digital marketing and £5,579.76 on digital advertising, all for 45 votes.
Patrick O'Flynn (SDP) £18,599.35 for the scarcely better total of 135 votes.
Joseph Wells (Green Party) £10 but the Peterborough Telegraph has reminded them that a visit by Natalie Bennett incurred £15 more.
Alan Hope (Loony) £nil.
Later in the paper there's a full page advert for Mike Greene.
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Post by yellowperil on Sept 19, 2019 10:52:50 GMT
The Peterborough Telegraph has been through the expenses returns. (Limit was £100,000 as for all Parliamentary byelections) Lisa Forbes (Labour) £82,708.32, including £7,357.72 on Facebook ads, £9,823 on other adverts, £12,685.04 on printing, and £600 to hire the Holiday Inn for a Gordon Brown speech Mike Greene (Brexit Party) £76,656.61, including £2,620.30 on newspaper adverts, £9,271.49 on Facebook, and £21,420.20 on printing. Also includes £8,400 on security. Paul Bristow (Conservative) £91,206.32, of which printing was £44,113.45, and £7,889.27 was media and digital advertising. The transport expenses were nil. Beki Sellick (Liberal Democrat) £26,880.44, with printing covering £17,737.40 and advertising totalling £1,977.52 John Whitby (UKIP) £7,822, of which £6,340 was for printing leaflets. Peter Ward (Renew) £17,984 including £4,677.23 on Facebook advertising, £1,200 on digital marketing and £5,579.76 on digital advertising, all for 45 votes. Patrick O'Flynn (SDP) £18,599.35 for the scarcely better total of 135 votes. Joseph Wells (Green Party) £10 but the Peterborough Telegraph has reminded them that a visit by Natalie Bennett incurred £15 more. Alan Hope (Loony) £nil. Later in the paper there's a full page advert for Mike Greene. Perhaps worth putting those expenses and votes they "bought" alongside, at least for the major players: Labour £82,708 and 10,484 votes BxP £76,656 and 9,801 votes Con £91,206 and 7,243 votes LD £26,880 and 4,149 votes SDP £ 18,599 and 135 votes Renew £ 17,984 and 45 votes UKIP £ 7822 and 400 votes GP £10 and 1,045 votes MRLP £0 and 112 votes I assume the other 6 candidates also had nil returns like the Loonies, and between them garnered 506 votes. What conclusions should I draw? Maybe if you are looking for value for money don't look to the Conservatives, who are even rather worse than Labour at getting a return on their investment, and LDs are significantly better than either without doing brilliantly, either. Brexiteers, on the other hand, might have spent more and won if they had really believed in themselves? They should have bought out UKIP? One just have to assume SDP and Renew were spending to buy something different than actual votes ? The Green Party are brilliant at getting something for nothing as long as they weren't interested in a serious campaign. Or of course expenses returns aren't worth the paper they are written on, and should be up for a major fiction prize? |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Sept 19, 2019 10:56:03 GMT
Patrick O'Flynn really jumped the gun joining the SDP and then through some kind of sense of honour sticking with it even after the Brexit party had emerged. He would have been well placed to take the BP nomination here had he not done that and possibly would have performed better*. Presumably he would also still be an MEP (unless he had won here of course)
*By which I mean performed better than Mike Green did, not better than Patrick did as an SDP candidate which is a given
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