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Post by casualobserver on Jan 29, 2019 14:18:06 GMT
I'm sure David has many friends, but we can safely say that Jeremy Corbyn isn't one of them. I've been made marginally aware of that possibility from the many hundreds of posts made by David on this site referring to Jeremy since the Dear Leader's election as Head of David's Party. |
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Post by casualobserver on Jan 29, 2019 14:19:57 GMT
David, you do yourself and your Party no favours whatsoever by continuing to defend this dreadful woman. She's not in my party. She wasn't on my wing of it even when she was. The racist vengeance-fest against her is highly reprehensible out of concerns of simple human dignity. I didn't say that she is in your Party. But you are in your Party (for the time being, at least). And your defence of crooked Fiona reflects on you and your Party. Her guilt has nothing to do with her race. |
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Post by casualobserver on Jan 29, 2019 14:23:49 GMT
Do you really not get it, David, that people are justifiably VERY ANGRY when an MP behaves like this. Her continuing as an MP "because it's her only source of income" just compounds the anger felt by those not blinkered by (former) party loyalty or by her race.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jan 29, 2019 14:30:21 GMT
I think the level of anger is wholly disproportionate.
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Post by casualobserver on Jan 29, 2019 14:34:19 GMT
Taking to social media, Peterborough residents reacted angrily to the sentence and Ms Onasanya's refusal to resign as MP to date. Andy Grahamme said: "Sickening beyond belief. The government wonders why the British public has no faith in them and the legal system? She should be sacked immediately and banned from any future role in public office." Dave Delve said: "Disgraceful she is a lawyer and lies through her teeth and only gets 3 months . The CPS Should appeal for longer sentence." James Morgan added: "She'll serve a month to six weeks. It's unthinkable that she will be permitted to continue to work as an MP." John Best said: "So we have to pay for her while she is in jail, while paying her MP salary. Has the world gone mad." Julie Barton added: "I think Peterborough needs to get a petition going asking for her removal. The Labour Party has sacked her and she is an independent MP now so should not be so hard to get rid of her. Need to get the petition started. If she has done this what is to stop her doing it again." Read more at: www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/news/crime/peterborough-residents-react-angrily-to-fiona-onasanya-jail-sentence-and-news-she-can-still-serve-as-mp-from-prison-1-8788779 |
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Post by casualobserver on Jan 29, 2019 14:36:28 GMT
I think the level of anger is wholly disproportionate. I'm sorry that you don't appreciate the seriousness both of what she's done and what she continues to do. Her failure to resign is an utter disgrace. No wonder people in Peterborough are reacting as they are. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jan 29, 2019 14:38:14 GMT
I think I might institute a new rule not to reply to racist posts.
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Post by casualobserver on Jan 29, 2019 14:41:03 GMT
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Post by yellowperil on Jan 29, 2019 14:44:40 GMT
It didn't happen "suddenly", David. 5000 people didn't just sit down one day and decide to write to their MP. This built up over time. If so inept that she didn't know herself what to do, there were scores of Parliamentary colleagues she could have asked for advice, together with officials in the Labour Party. Any of them could have helped. I was going to say that she could have consulted the Whips, who are there to help their MPs in difficult circumstances ... but I forgot that she was quickly promoted herself to the Labour Whips' office by your friend Jeremy. I'm sure David has many friends, but we can safely say that Jeremy Corbyn isn't one of them. Maybe casualobserver was using "friend " in its parliamentary sense, in which case it is maybe still technically true. |
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Post by matureleft on Jan 29, 2019 14:46:08 GMT
I don't think that David is defending Onasanya. What he's trying to do is point out how the judge reached his sentencing conclusion. It's pretty clear that he arrived at a narrower view on her guilt than some who have posted here. I'm not sure I agree with him but I respect the fact that he heard the full case and I didn't. I also recognise that establishing guilt in this case, as in any criminal case, requires some certainty and not just a belief on the balance of probabilities.
Turning to casework for new MPs I would make two comments.
First, on election a new MP has no staff and no office. They are allocated temporary space and must fend for themselves, recruiting staff as soon as they reasonably can. A huge amount of correspondence arrives, much of it invitations and introductions from lobbyists, but there's a fair amount from constituents. They, understandably, don't understand what is happening and assume that either the party or parliament or even the previous MP provide the staff. Nevertheless with a lot of hard work and strict prioritisation the task can be managed (though those with naturally case-rich constituencies must have a dreadful time). Most new MPs get it under control after a few weeks. Those with good networks find staff quicker (and probably get some informal help).
Secondly, some don't manage that. At least one of the 1997 intake accumulated a huge backlog which I observed many months after the election when on a train with him. One suspects that like most things how you cope depends on your previous life experience and your personal discipline. That discipline includes skipping the array of social and political offerings to focus on getting the administrative infrastructure straight and eliminating the backlog.
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Jan 29, 2019 14:49:18 GMT
Fiona of course could have drawn on help and support from her colleagues and their staff. This is no different to what ever new MP goes through at every election. That's right - the level of support given to new MPs is well known to be poor across the piece. That rather supports my side of the argument, doesn't it? All the other MPs are busy dealing with their own casework; they're not going to take on someone else's casework. Official support from Parliament is well known to us types as being limited, although has got a lot better in the time I’ve been actively involved. Support internally from the Labour Party, Labour Whips Office and the hundreds of researchers employed from before the 2017 election. Come on. If she was a random independent I could understand if she complained of being overwhelmed and isolated. |
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Post by hedgehog on Jan 29, 2019 14:50:11 GMT
I think the level of anger is wholly disproportionate. Disproportionate, don't we expect a certain standard of our elected representatives. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jan 29, 2019 14:53:31 GMT
Three months seem alright to me. Ultimately, she is not a danger to society even if she has committed a very serious offence whilst a lawmaker.
What I don't buy is the "I was so busy" line. If you have time to concoct an accusation against someone else, you have time to deal with it. If the alternative version is true, why the hell was her brother reading her post?
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Post by Roger Harmer on Jan 29, 2019 14:55:06 GMT
Personally I would prefer she wasn't imprisoned at all (given a suspended sentence) but that she automatically lost her seat as an MP.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jan 29, 2019 15:08:43 GMT
I'm sure David has many friends I suspect they may be diminishing in number lately.. |
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Post by Strontium Dog on Jan 29, 2019 15:10:47 GMT
The bit I am not OK with is that I have a memory of multi millionaire David Laws MP claiming £40 k in (parliamentary) benefits he was not entitled to... Your memory is faulty. His was a technical breach. He could in fact have claimed £30k more than he did while remaining within the rules. |
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Post by mboy on Jan 29, 2019 15:14:39 GMT
Personally I would prefer she wasn't imprisoned at all (given a suspended sentence) but that she automatically lost her seat as an MP. Onasanya is clearly a delusional charlatan. The fact that she was quickly elevated to the Labour whips office is a rather damning indictment of that party’s current state. She has also clearly been treated very leniently compared to her brother and to Huhne/Price (regardless of whether Huhne pressured Price, Price was also jailed for 8 months there). But I agree with Roger: she isn't a danger to the public and I don't think these people should be in jail at all. The problem is that I do want sentences that are fair across different convicted, and I do want her disqualified as an MP, and unfortunately right now both those would require a 6-8 month sentence. We are now in the unfortunate situation where an obviously delusional MP may try to ride out a jail term. This will do dreadful harm to the profession. |
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Post by mboy on Jan 29, 2019 15:16:40 GMT
The bit I am not OK with is that I have a memory of multi millionaire David Laws MP claiming £40 k in (parliamentary) benefits he was not entitled to... Your memory is faulty. His was a technical breach. He could in fact have claimed £30k more than he did while remaining within the rules. I was about to say the same. IIRC he just needed to say that his boyfriend was a family dependent (would have been normal for a hetero couple) and he would have been eligible for much more. |
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Post by casualobserver on Jan 29, 2019 15:17:11 GMT
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Post by greenchristian on Jan 29, 2019 15:24:45 GMT
Personally I would prefer she wasn't imprisoned at all (given a suspended sentence) but that she automatically lost her seat as an MP. Onasanya is clearly a delusional charlatan. The fact that she was quickly elevated to the Labour whips office is a rather damning indictment of that party’s current state. She has also clearly been treated very leniently compared to her brother and to Huhne/Price (regardless of whether Huhne pressured Price, Price was also jailed for 8 months there). But I agree with Roger: she isn't a danger to the public and I don't think these people should be in jail at all. The problem is that I do want sentences that are fair across different convicted, and I do want her disqualified as an MP, and unfortunately right now both those would require a 6-8 month sentence. We are now in the unfortunate situation where an obviously delusional MP may try to ride out a jail term. This will do dreadful harm to the profession. Isn't the term long enough to trigger a recall petition? |
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