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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jan 29, 2019 15:26:56 GMT
We are now in the unfortunate situation where an obviously delusional MP may try to ride out a jail term. This will do dreadful harm to the profession. Isn't the term long enough to trigger a recall petition? Any term of imprisonment is sufficient: Recall of MPs Act 2015, s. 1 (3)(a). |
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Post by casualobserver on Jan 29, 2019 15:27:11 GMT
Onasanya is clearly a delusional charlatan. The fact that she was quickly elevated to the Labour whips office is a rather damning indictment of that party’s current state. She has also clearly been treated very leniently compared to her brother and to Huhne/Price (regardless of whether Huhne pressured Price, Price was also jailed for 8 months there). But I agree with Roger: she isn't a danger to the public and I don't think these people should be in jail at all. The problem is that I do want sentences that are fair across different convicted, and I do want her disqualified as an MP, and unfortunately right now both those would require a 6-8 month sentence. We are now in the unfortunate situation where an obviously delusional MP may try to ride out a jail term. This will do dreadful harm to the profession. Isn't the term long enough to trigger a recall petition? Recall petition cannot proceed until Fiona's appeal is either dropped or dismissed .... that could be another 9 months. |
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Post by tissueprice on Jan 29, 2019 15:27:42 GMT
Onasanya is clearly a delusional charlatan. The fact that she was quickly elevated to the Labour whips office is a rather damning indictment of that party’s current state. She has also clearly been treated very leniently compared to her brother and to Huhne/Price (regardless of whether Huhne pressured Price, Price was also jailed for 8 months there). But I agree with Roger: she isn't a danger to the public and I don't think these people should be in jail at all. The problem is that I do want sentences that are fair across different convicted, and I do want her disqualified as an MP, and unfortunately right now both those would require a 6-8 month sentence. We are now in the unfortunate situation where an obviously delusional MP may try to ride out a jail term. This will do dreadful harm to the profession. Isn't the term long enough to trigger a recall petition? It is long enough; any custodial sentence is. But recall can't happen until the appeal process has been exhausted, which could take 6 months or more. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 15:46:07 GMT
Given the highly marginal status of Peterborough, this might actually be the best outcome for the Conservatives. Fiona Onasanya has been propelled from obscurity into the media spotlight, to be revealed as a liar and (bluntly) a bit of a nutcase. It also looks as though she isn't going away.
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Post by Chris from Brum on Jan 29, 2019 15:55:04 GMT
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Post by casualobserver on Jan 29, 2019 16:23:52 GMT
If she appeals, she remains an MP, which will do wonders for the reputation of MPs generally I'm sure. She's already submitted her notice to appeal. Could get her an extra £60k or more in Parliamentary salary. |
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Jan 29, 2019 16:32:06 GMT
If she appeals, she remains an MP, which will do wonders for the reputation of MPs generally I'm sure. She's already submitted her notice to appeal. Could get her an extra £60k or more in Parliamentary salary. That's obscene. One rule for the oligarchy and another for the rest of us. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jan 29, 2019 16:33:47 GMT
David, you do yourself and your Party no favours whatsoever by continuing to defend this dreadful woman. She's not in my party. She wasn't on my wing of it even when she was. The racist vengeance-fest against her is highly reprehensible out of concerns of simple human dignity. I couldn't care less what colour she is, and since I cannot see into the mind of the Judge I have no idea whether her colour played any part in her treatment by him. But I still think 3 months is strikingly lenient for what happened here. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jan 29, 2019 16:44:43 GMT
She's not in my party. She wasn't on my wing of it even when she was. The racist vengeance-fest against her is highly reprehensible out of concerns of simple human dignity. I couldn't care less what colour she is, and since I cannot see into the mind of the Judge I have no idea whether her colour played any part in her treatment by him. This might give you an idea www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/sentencing-remarks-onasanyadocx.pdfIncidentally, I seem to remember that in some other cases eg that of Ched Evans, being regarded as a 'role-model' counted towards harsher treatment at the hands of the criminal justice system rather than more lenient treatment. I'm sure @boogieeck can confirm |
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Post by CatholicLeft on Jan 29, 2019 16:47:40 GMT
Got to say, a custodial sentence for anyone of 9 months and below is of no use whatsoever in terms of rehabilitation or punishment, both the points of sentencing.
On a separate point, an MP in this position should be required to step down, as a law-maker pointedly flouting the laws they are elected to uphold.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jan 29, 2019 16:51:07 GMT
Got to say, a custodial sentence for anyone of 9 months and below is of no use whatsoever in terms of rehabilitation or punishment, both the points of sentencing. On a separate point, an MP in this position should be required to step down, as a law-maker pointedly flouting the laws they are elected to uphold. Have to agree with all that. |
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Post by Merseymike on Jan 29, 2019 16:53:54 GMT
Personally I would prefer she wasn't imprisoned at all (given a suspended sentence) but that she automatically lost her seat as an MP. Onasanya is clearly a delusional charlatan. The fact that she was quickly elevated to the Labour whips office is a rather damning indictment of that party’s current state. Not really. Labour have always used the whips office to try out new MPs. Chief and Deputy chief are old lags but anything below that young pups in parliamentary terms |
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Post by sirbenjamin on Jan 29, 2019 16:56:31 GMT
I do actually have a little sympathy here, as I do for O'Mara and the various knuckle-dragging yobs among the 2015 SNP intake.
It's not her fault she's deeply out of her depth and thrust into the spotlight with far greater gusto than would typically befall an ordinary member of God's own public.
She was a paper candidate, hastily selected without close scrutiny for a seat her party weren't supposed to stand a chance of winning, in an election that should never have been called.
It wasn't meant to happen. If anything we should be blaming a combination of May, Corbyn, Timothy and, umm, Hone.
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Post by J.G.Harston on Jan 29, 2019 17:03:07 GMT
Fiona Onasanya went along with her brother's spontaneous lie. Yeah, right. And I'm the Archbishop of Canterbury.
This stinks. I'm with carlton43 and yellowperil on this, the judge has bent over backwards to be ultra-lenient towards a member of a minority ethnic ethnic minority group here. As we are repeatedly told at work, positive discrimination is still discrimination, and is just as wrong. Ethnic is an adjective not a noun, minority is a noun not an adjective. Being one doesn't give you a free pass to mutilate the English language. |
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Post by Jack on Jan 29, 2019 17:07:44 GMT
Yeah, right. And I'm the Archbishop of Canterbury.
This stinks. I'm with carlton43 and yellowperil on this, the judge has bent over backwards to be ultra-lenient towards a member of a minority ethnic ethnic minority group here. As we are repeatedly told at work, positive discrimination is still discrimination, and is just as wrong. Ethnic is an adjective not a noun, minority is a noun not an adjective. Being one doesn't give you a free pass to mutilate the English language. I love your commitment to this. |
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Post by casualobserver on Jan 29, 2019 17:08:29 GMT
an MP in this position should be required to step down, as a law-maker pointedly flouting the laws they are elected to uphold. Fair credit to the Labour Party that, from the day after her conviction, they have called for her to step down. |
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Post by Merseymike on Jan 29, 2019 17:40:49 GMT
I do actually have a little sympathy here, as I do for O'Mara and the various knuckle-dragging yobs among the 2015 SNP intake. It's not her fault she's deeply out of her depth and thrust into the spotlight with far greater gusto than would typically befall an ordinary member of God's own public. She was a paper candidate, hastily selected without close scrutiny for a seat her party weren't supposed to stand a chance of winning, in an election that should never have been called. It wasn't meant to happen. If anything we should be blaming a combination of May, Corbyn, Timothy and, umm, Hone. I don't see what this has to do with trying to avoud a speeding fine and or points. Until this happened there was no indication that she was problematic. No matter what parties do there will always be some who end up going off the rails |
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Post by Tony Otim on Jan 29, 2019 17:41:32 GMT
Yeah, right. And I'm the Archbishop of Canterbury.
This stinks. I'm with carlton43 and yellowperil on this, the judge has bent over backwards to be ultra-lenient towards a member of a minority ethnic ethnic minority group here. As we are repeatedly told at work, positive discrimination is still discrimination, and is just as wrong. Ethnic is an adjective not a noun, minority is a noun not an adjective. Being one doesn't give you a free pass to mutilate the English language. Except that in this case the noun in the sentence is group. Minority is a noun being used as an adjective, as many nouns in English are. So you have two adjectives describing the group so it doesn't matter what order they came in. |
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Post by johnloony on Jan 29, 2019 17:44:53 GMT
I heard the news that she had been sentenced to 3 months when I was at the reception at the town hall after the funeral this morning of a prominent local councillor. I immediately expressed my great shock that she had got such a lenient sentence (I had expected her to get at least more than 12 months), and the group of people I was chatting with immediately started talking about a recall petition. But there were some people within earshot who literally didn't know anything about the case, or about who Fiona Onasanya is or what she has done (even though we were mostly politically active people). It is a worthwhile reminder that even important stuff like this can be in a sort-of bubble.
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Post by sirbenjamin on Jan 29, 2019 17:54:57 GMT
I do actually have a little sympathy here, as I do for O'Mara and the various knuckle-dragging yobs among the 2015 SNP intake. It's not her fault she's deeply out of her depth and thrust into the spotlight with far greater gusto than would typically befall an ordinary member of God's own public. She was a paper candidate, hastily selected without close scrutiny for a seat her party weren't supposed to stand a chance of winning, in an election that should never have been called. It wasn't meant to happen. If anything we should be blaming a combination of May, Corbyn, Timothy and, umm, Hone. I don't see what this has to do with trying to avoud a speeding fine and or points. Until this happened there was no indication that she was problematic. No matter what parties do there will always be some who end up going off the rails The point is that in this age, 'no indication' isn't acceptable in any of the main parties for seats that are realistic propositions. They want a bunch of positive indicators that one is unlikely to commit misdemeanours. Even family/social connections probably count against you, even if the party won't admit it. One has to be squeaky clean and then some. God knows there are myriad reasons why I wouldn't stand a chance in hell of making the candidates list. And having a dodgy brother would likely be a part of that. |
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