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Post by Merseymike on Jan 6, 2019 14:18:14 GMT
I don't understand what that means. It looks like a perfectly normal statement but I can't fathom it. What is the point being made? Implying that centrist Labour MPs are somehow class traitors, Tories, or generally uncaring about the poor, on the sole basis of not watching a film is very odd. And as Mike has shown on this thread, there is something close to obsession over centrist MPs and their place on the Labour benches. Not obsession but a belief that Labour needs to be clearly on the left and centrists may not find that a more definitively socialist party be to their taste. |
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Post by Merseymike on Jan 6, 2019 14:26:07 GMT
Implying that centrist Labour MPs are somehow class traitors, Tories, or generally uncaring about the poor, on the sole basis of not watching a film is very odd. And as Mike has shown on this thread, there is something close to obsession over centrist MPs and their place on the Labour benches. Thanks very much Dok. Yes, obvious now you present the missing key. I had not realized that Daniel Blake was the name of a film and supposed it was a little known politician or commentator. It fits in place except for how would the poster know if those listed had or had not seen the film? Is that the weird bit or is it just the nature of judgement by association with reaction to a film. Yes. This is getting weird. Not really. Twitter is weird. Though I don't rate any of the Mps on that list, they shouldn't be judged on what they choose to post on their timelines. And I would have thought that universal credit is something which pretty much unifies the party in any case. |
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Post by carlton43 on Jan 6, 2019 14:42:04 GMT
Thanks very much Dok. Yes, obvious now you present the missing key. I had not realized that Daniel Blake was the name of a film and supposed it was a little known politician or commentator. It fits in place except for how would the poster know if those listed had or had not seen the film? Is that the weird bit or is it just the nature of judgement by association with reaction to a film. Yes. This is getting weird. Not really. Twitter is weird. Though I don't rate any of the Mps on that list, they shouldn't be judged on what they choose to post on their timelines. And I would have thought that universal credit is something which pretty much unifies the party in any case. Oh dear! This is bad. Firstly I forgot that Daniel Blake was indeed the title of a film. Now I am being made aware of the concept of time lines on personal Twitter accounts. Are such time lines so complete that one can deduce where people were and what they have and have not seen? Surely incompleteness of posting or simple inadvertence would make nailing any one MP a bit difficult? Your MPs and your right to list and make points. We have our list in the Blue Room too. Ours does tend much more to the site-specific problem of Brexit, and otherwise I think we may tend to be much more policy tolerant than Labour? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2019 15:02:08 GMT
there hasn't been really talent in parliament for a long time There's talent in Parliament just not on the front benches. thats wishful thinking |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2019 15:03:07 GMT
There are a load of has beens who won't be standing again next time and made a pigs ear of the roles they carried out before...Cooper, Kendall, Benn, and the like, all seeing out their time as committee chairs. They contribute little, and have no future role, watch as they all announce they won't be standing next time.... They have a future role in a Labour Party which doesn't worship one man like a bizarre cult. Chuka Ummuna? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2019 15:04:27 GMT
I don't understand what that means. It looks like a perfectly normal statement but I can't fathom it. What is the point being made? Implying that centrist Labour MPs are somehow class traitors, Tories, or generally uncaring about the poor, on the sole basis of not watching a film is very odd. And as Mike has shown on this thread, there is something close to obsession over centrist MPs and their place on the Labour benches. no they just lack talent |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2019 15:12:50 GMT
There are a load of has beens who won't be standing again next time and made a pigs ear of the roles they carried out before...Cooper, Kendall, Benn, and the like, all seeing out their time as committee chairs. They contribute little, and have no future role, watch as they all announce they won't be standing next time.... I’m not Labour but are you honestly saying you’d rather have a Parliament filled with people like Chris Williamson, Fiona Onasanya and Jared O’Mara than Yvette Cooper, Liz Kendall and Hillary Benn? I've met Liz Kendall. Great local MP and that's what she should stick to. If Yvette couldn't even beat Corbyn I fear how lacklustre she'd be with real people |
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Post by pragmaticidealist on Jan 6, 2019 15:20:41 GMT
There are a load of has beens who won't be standing again next time and made a pigs ear of the roles they carried out before...Cooper, Kendall, Benn, and the like, all seeing out their time as committee chairs. They contribute little, and have no future role, watch as they all announce they won't be standing next time.... I’m not Labour but are you honestly saying you’d rather have a Parliament filled with people like Chris Williamson, Fiona Onasanya and Jared O’Mara than Yvette Cooper, Liz Kendall and Hillary Benn? I didn't know that Onasanya and O'Mara were known, especially, for their Corbynite views, or for any political views in general... Though, amusingly (in a bleak kind of way), all three did win key marginal seats in 2017. |
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Post by lbarnes on Jan 6, 2019 15:24:13 GMT
I’m not Labour but are you honestly saying you’d rather have a Parliament filled with people like Chris Williamson, Fiona Onasanya and Jared O’Mara than Yvette Cooper, Liz Kendall and Hillary Benn? I didn't know that Onasanya and O'Mara were known, especially, for their Corbynite views, or for any political views in general... Though, amusingly (in a bleak kind of way), all three did win key marginal seats in 2017. O'Mara was proclaimed at the time of the 2017 Election as their first elected MP. |
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Post by Merseymike on Jan 6, 2019 15:27:00 GMT
I didn't know that Onasanya and O'Mara were known, especially, for their Corbynite views, or for any political views in general... Though, amusingly (in a bleak kind of way), all three did win key marginal seats in 2017. O'Mara was proclaimed at the time of the 2017 Election as their first elected MP. Only that wasn't correct. He wasn't regarded as particularly left wing and had no previous connection with Momentum. He had been an unsuccessful local council candidate. He is clearly not in a great position in terms of his own health. I hope he will recover to the extent that he will be able to contribute to any discussions about mental health and autism which he has personally experienced |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2019 15:30:12 GMT
Nothing to do with age. They just hold ideological views which aren't compatible with any sort of meaningful role in a Labour government any more. They acknowledge that themselves but hope that the right of the party will become dominant again. However, it's unlikely to happen any time soon, so in my view they are likely to bow out next time. Kendall is gearing up for a media career, Benn and Cooper are unlikely to be short of offers. The next Labour government will not be a far left basketcase run by Jeremy Corbyn. To win an election it needs to be a far broader church as you well know. Politicians are not "has beens" on the basis of wanting an inclusive Labour Party over an exclusive socialist sect. glad mystic meg here knows all |
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Post by finsobruce on Jan 6, 2019 15:37:05 GMT
I didn't know that Onasanya and O'Mara were known, especially, for their Corbynite views, or for any political views in general... Though, amusingly (in a bleak kind of way), all three did win key marginal seats in 2017. O'Mara was proclaimed at the time of the 2017 Election as their first elected MP. It seems like a very long time ago, but..... relevant bit here is the end of the sixth paragraph.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jan 6, 2019 16:30:53 GMT
There are a load of has beens who won't be standing again next time and made a pigs ear of the roles they carried out before...Cooper, Kendall, Benn, and the like, all seeing out their time as committee chairs. They contribute little, and have no future role, watch as they all announce they won't be standing next time.... I’m not Labour but are you honestly saying you’d rather have a Parliament filled with people like Chris Williamson, Fiona Onasanya and Jared O’Mara than Yvette Cooper, Liz Kendall and Hillary Benn? I fear he is. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jan 6, 2019 16:36:48 GMT
Not really. Twitter is weird. Though I don't rate any of the Mps on that list, they shouldn't be judged on what they choose to post on their timelines. And I would have thought that universal credit is something which pretty much unifies the party in any case. Oh dear! This is bad. Firstly I forgot that Daniel Blake was indeed the title of a film. Now I am being made aware of the concept of time lines on personal Twitter accounts. Are such time lines so complete that one can deduce where people were and what they have and have not seen? Surely incompleteness of posting or simple inadvertence would make nailing any one MP a bit difficult? Your MPs and your right to list and make points. We have our list in the Blue Room too. Ours does tend much more to the site-specific problem of Brexit, and otherwise I think we may tend to be much more policy tolerant than Labour? Presumably, in the weird world of Corbynite Labour, getting one of your staff to post that you're "currently watching I Daniel Blake, a searing indictment of the Tory benefit regime" [even if you're actually catching up on parliamentary reading/ having a nice family dinner] = brownie points. Not watching IDB, or watching it but failing to make a fuss about it on your timeline, = no brownie points. |
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Post by Merseymike on Jan 6, 2019 16:55:47 GMT
O'Mara was proclaimed at the time of the 2017 Election as their first elected MP. It seems like a very long time ago, but..... relevant bit here is the end of the sixth paragraph.
And as I say he had no previous links with Momentum It's a real pity that things went so wrong for him. He clearly has a lot of relevant life experience and to have stuff brought up from social media printed years ago sums up why we might end up with a load of anodyne MPs. I'm sure I've said stuff which could be used against me. |
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Jan 6, 2019 16:58:37 GMT
Implying that centrist Labour MPs are somehow class traitors, Tories, or generally uncaring about the poor, on the sole basis of not watching a film is very odd. And as Mike has shown on this thread, there is something close to obsession over centrist MPs and their place on the Labour benches. Thanks very much Dok. Yes, obvious now you present the missing key. I had not realized that Daniel Blake was the name of a film and supposed it was a little known politician or commentator. It fits in place except for how would the poster know if those listed had or had not seen the film? Is that the weird bit or is it just the nature of judgement by association with reaction to a film. Yes. This is getting weird. So, you've not seen it either, you heartless bastard. I bet you went to Peterloo and cheered for the Yeomanry. |
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Post by neilm on Jan 6, 2019 17:46:09 GMT
Out of interest, which Labour frontbenchers in 1997 had ministerial experience? I can think of Margaret Beckett, Jack Cunningham, Gavin Strang and Lord Gilbert.
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Jan 6, 2019 18:01:35 GMT
Out of interest, which Labour frontbenchers in 1997 had ministerial experience? I can think of Margaret Beckett, Jack Cunningham, Gavin Strang and Lord Gilbert. John Morris (Aberavon) |
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Jan 6, 2019 18:07:25 GMT
Ann Taylor was a whip in Callaghan's govt if that counts.
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Post by finsobruce on Jan 6, 2019 18:26:20 GMT
Thanks very much Dok. Yes, obvious now you present the missing key. I had not realized that Daniel Blake was the name of a film and supposed it was a little known politician or commentator. It fits in place except for how would the poster know if those listed had or had not seen the film? Is that the weird bit or is it just the nature of judgement by association with reaction to a film. Yes. This is getting weird. So, you've not seen it either, you heartless bastard. I bet you went to Peterloo and cheered for the Yeomanry.Do you mean at the cinema or at the actual demonstration?  |
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