middyman
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Post by middyman on Jan 5, 2019 22:48:27 GMT
Can we chalk FO as another one of those Labour MPs who was touted by the party as utterly brilliant and then everyone pretends they never really thought much of her at all? did anyone tout her as brillant? She only entered Parliament in 2017 but had been appointed a whip and PPS, hardly the career of a new MP regarded as average. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2019 22:51:23 GMT
did anyone tout her as brillant? She only entered Parliament in 2017 but had been appointed a whip and PPS, hardly the career of a new MP regarded as average. how many of the new intake aren't in the shadow cabinet? |
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Post by middyman on Jan 5, 2019 23:21:37 GMT
She only entered Parliament in 2017 but had been appointed a whip and PPS, hardly the career of a new MP regarded as average. how many of the new intake aren't in the shadow cabinet? Are you saying that Corbyn's choice of talent among Labour MPs was extraordinarily limited? |
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Post by mondialito on Jan 6, 2019 1:55:25 GMT
how many of the new intake aren't in the shadow cabinet? Are you saying that Corbyn's choice of talent among Labour MPs was extraordinarily limited? Well, yes. It isn't neccessarily a question of 'talent', it is just that many of those who took part in the mass resignations in 2016 are no longer trusted, making it more likely for the 2015 and 2017 intakes to rise faster than previous classes. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jan 6, 2019 9:21:54 GMT
In other words: there is an immense amount of talent on the Labour benches in the House of Commons, but practically none of the really talented people are sitting on the front bench either because they won't serve under the ridiculous leadership, or the ridiculous leadership won't trust them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2019 9:31:54 GMT
In other words: there is an immense amount of talent on the Labour benches in the House of Commons, but practically none of the really talented people are sitting on the front bench either because they won't serve under the ridiculous leadership, or the ridiculous leadership won't trust them. there hasn't been really talent in parliament for a long time |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2019 9:33:04 GMT
how many of the new intake aren't in the shadow cabinet? Are you saying that Corbyn's choice of talent among Labour MPs was extraordinarily limited? unfortunately there is little talent in tge hoyse these days |
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Post by robert1 on Jan 6, 2019 10:25:26 GMT
The law in relation to a recall is very restrictive, both for political parties and reporting by the media. The Labour party is therefore not allowed to 'campaign for' anything in relation to a petition.
Ian Lavery MP, in his recent statement, said the party would 'actively support' such a petition. To do any more would make the outcome open to challenge.
It is probably also significant that both the Labour Party and the Peterborough Telegraph appear to be making as much noise as possible about it at this stage in order to avoid accusations of 'campaigning' for a recall at the time of any petition.
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Post by The Bishop on Jan 6, 2019 10:40:37 GMT
She only entered Parliament in 2017 but had been appointed a whip and PPS, hardly the career of a new MP regarded as average. how many of the new intake aren't in the shadow cabinet? Sorry to be pedantic but quite a few aren't in the *shadow cabinet*. The number not on the *front bench* is somewhat smaller. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jan 6, 2019 10:53:26 GMT
Esther McVey was 2010 intake.
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Post by Merseymike on Jan 6, 2019 11:29:03 GMT
In other words: there is an immense amount of talent on the Labour benches in the House of Commons, but practically none of the really talented people are sitting on the front bench either because they won't serve under the ridiculous leadership, or the ridiculous leadership won't trust them. There are a load of has beens who won't be standing again next time and made a pigs ear of the roles they carried out before...Cooper, Kendall, Benn, and the like, all seeing out their time as committee chairs. They contribute little, and have no future role, watch as they all announce they won't be standing next time.... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2019 11:30:59 GMT
In other words: there is an immense amount of talent on the Labour benches in the House of Commons, but practically none of the really talented people are sitting on the front bench either because they won't serve under the ridiculous leadership, or the ridiculous leadership won't trust them. there hasn't been really talent in parliament for a long time There's talent in Parliament just not on the front benches. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jan 6, 2019 11:35:43 GMT
The idea that Liz Kendall (aged 47 and younger than you) is a has-been whereas Jeremy Corbyn (aged 70 in May), John McDonnell (aged 67) and Diane Abbott (aged 65) are not, is an interesting one.
I suppose you think it's a great thing that all the people with lots of ministerial experience are out of the front bench, so they can be replaced by intellectual powerhouses of the likes of Richard Burgon.
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Post by mondialito on Jan 6, 2019 12:25:35 GMT
In other words: there is an immense amount of talent on the Labour benches in the House of Commons, but practically none of the really talented people are sitting on the front bench either because they won't serve under the ridiculous leadership, or the ridiculous leadership won't trust them. 'Really talented' is quite a relative term though, isn't it? Chuka Ummuna isn't exactly Tony Crosland. Where I have some sympathy for your argument is that there are some who walked out and were willing to return who are underused. Chi Onwurah and Lisa Nandy ought to be sitting around the Shadow Cabinet table, IMO. |
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Post by Merseymike on Jan 6, 2019 12:27:14 GMT
The idea that Liz Kendall (aged 47 and younger than you) is a has-been whereas Jeremy Corbyn (aged 70 in May), John McDonnell (aged 67) and Diane Abbott (aged 65) are not, is an interesting one. I suppose you think it's a great thing that all the people with lots of ministerial experience are out of the front bench, so they can be replaced by intellectual powerhouses of the likes of Richard Burgon. Nothing to do with age. They just hold ideological views which aren't compatible with any sort of meaningful role in a Labour government any more. They acknowledge that themselves but hope that the right of the party will become dominant again. However, it's unlikely to happen any time soon, so in my view they are likely to bow out next time. Kendall is gearing up for a media career, Benn and Cooper are unlikely to be short of offers. |
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Post by middyman on Jan 6, 2019 12:36:47 GMT
Are you saying that Corbyn's choice of talent among Labour MPs was extraordinarily limited? unfortunately there is little talent in tge hoyse these days Oh for auto-correct! |
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Post by Merseymike on Jan 6, 2019 12:56:23 GMT
There are a load of has beens who won't be standing again next time and made a pigs ear of the roles they carried out before...Cooper, Kendall, Benn, and the like, all seeing out their time as committee chairs. They contribute little, and have no future role, watch as they all announce they won't be standing next time.... They have a future role in a Labour Party which doesn't worship one man like a bizarre cult. It's about what they believe in, not who the leader is. They have views very different to where the party is heading on some key issues and aren't prepared to change them or accept collective responsibility in order to regain a senior position, indeed, they have made that clear enough themselves. If Labour moves towards the centre, then perhaps, but that's not going to happen any time soon. |
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Post by Merseymike on Jan 6, 2019 12:58:02 GMT
Nothing to do with age. They just hold ideological views which aren't compatible with any sort of meaningful role in a Labour government any more. They acknowledge that themselves but hope that the right of the party will become dominant again. However, it's unlikely to happen any time soon, so in my view they are likely to bow out next time. Kendall is gearing up for a media career, Benn and Cooper are unlikely to be short of offers. The next Labour government will not be a far left basketcase run by Jeremy Corbyn. To win an election it needs to be a far broader church as you well know. Politicians are not "has beens" on the basis of wanting an inclusive Labour Party over an exclusive socialist sect. Given that you have often expressed your hatred for the Labour party and have enthusiastically backed your parties cooperation with the Conservatives, your comments are both predictable and welcome. A centrist so called Labour government isn't worth having anyway. |
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Post by heslingtonian on Jan 6, 2019 13:29:11 GMT
In other words: there is an immense amount of talent on the Labour benches in the House of Commons, but practically none of the really talented people are sitting on the front bench either because they won't serve under the ridiculous leadership, or the ridiculous leadership won't trust them. There are a load of has beens who won't be standing again next time and made a pigs ear of the roles they carried out before...Cooper, Kendall, Benn, and the like, all seeing out their time as committee chairs. They contribute little, and have no future role, watch as they all announce they won't be standing next time.... I’m not Labour but are you honestly saying you’d rather have a Parliament filled with people like Chris Williamson, Fiona Onasanya and Jared O’Mara than Yvette Cooper, Liz Kendall and Hillary Benn? |
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Post by Merseymike on Jan 6, 2019 14:14:42 GMT
There are a load of has beens who won't be standing again next time and made a pigs ear of the roles they carried out before...Cooper, Kendall, Benn, and the like, all seeing out their time as committee chairs. They contribute little, and have no future role, watch as they all announce they won't be standing next time.... I’m not Labour but are you honestly saying you’d rather have a Parliament filled with people like Chris Williamson, Fiona Onasanya and Jared O’Mara than Yvette Cooper, Liz Kendall and Hillary Benn? Two of those you mention are no longer Labour MP's so a silly comparison. Id much rather have a socialust like Chris Williamson than the three soggy centrists mentioned, who represent what was wrong with Labour and why I left the party. |
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