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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 21:10:45 GMT
What do you think old chap? If the smell doesn't revolt you then I suppose you are not too concerned about the effect on the taste of the meal? HP sauce makes a humble sausage butty into the food of the heavens. No. It’s a poor man’s tomato ketchup. Not that I eat either of them on rolls and sausage. Plenty of butter is all you need. |
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Post by Merseymike on Sept 30, 2019 22:13:10 GMT
Bacon sandwiches always require brown sauce. HP I like but they've stopped making my favourite - Hammonds Chop Sauce. However Lidl's own brand is identical so think they may make it for them
Hendo's is excellent. I prefer it to Worcestershire sauce.
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Post by neilm on Sept 30, 2019 22:29:07 GMT
I'm a fan of A1 Sauce- much less thick than HP, which can be annoying, but goes excellently with barbecued stuff, on corned beef sandwiches and so on.
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Post by Merseymike on Sept 30, 2019 22:37:32 GMT
I'm a fan of A1 Sauce- much less thick than HP, which can be annoying, but goes excellently with barbecued stuff, on corned beef sandwiches and so on. It's an American steak sauce originally |
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Post by andrew111 on Oct 1, 2019 9:50:11 GMT
Bacon sandwiches always require brown sauce. HP I like but they've stopped making my favourite - Hammonds Chop Sauce. However Lidl's own brand is identical so think they may make it for them Hendo's is excellent. I prefer it to Worcestershire sauce. I found this fine example of Sheffield humour. Yes indeed, Hendo's is far superior to Worcestershire sauce but a bit hard to find in West Yorkshire for some reason 🤔 (sometimes available in Morrison's but I do not shop there often) |
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Jan 19, 2022 21:11:52 GMT
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Post by evergreenadam on Feb 12, 2022 9:13:58 GMT
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Post by The Bishop on Feb 12, 2022 12:21:06 GMT
If that does indeed happen, it will go down as a textbook example of where becoming ridiculously radicalised online about what (in the wider scheme of things) is basically a fringe issue can get you. And the claim Starmer has done nothing to protect her is genuinely beyond ludicrous.
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Post by tonyhill on Feb 12, 2022 15:26:05 GMT
I don't quite see how she can tell the LibDems she's a Labour person and then join the Conservative Party.
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Post by Crimson King on Feb 12, 2022 15:29:33 GMT
I don't quite see how she can tell the LibDems she's a Labour person and then join the Conservative Party. she hasnt |
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Post by tonyhill on Feb 12, 2022 20:02:37 GMT
I know she hasn't, but that was what the article was about.
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Feb 12, 2022 20:44:27 GMT
Would love it to happen, for several reasons, but I don't think she's that compatible with our pro-Brexit, immigration sceptical views. It would sometimes be an unhappy marriage, though she wouldn't get the abuse she gets now.
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Post by mattbewilson on Feb 12, 2022 23:54:15 GMT
Would love it to happen, for several reasons, but I don't think she's that compatible with our pro-Brexit, immigration sceptical views. It would sometimes be an unhappy marriage, though she wouldn't get the abuse she gets now. you don't think so? I think she'd be treated much the same as Anna Soubry was |
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Feb 13, 2022 0:08:25 GMT
Would love it to happen, for several reasons, but I don't think she's that compatible with our pro-Brexit, immigration sceptical views. It would sometimes be an unhappy marriage, though she wouldn't get the abuse she gets now. you don't think so? I think she'd be treated much the same as Anna Soubry was No, she'd be held aloft by many in the Conservatives regardless of her other views and that would always buy her Tory street cred, even amongst the kind of loons who abuse people. I also don't think the situation is comparable. Whilst I in no way excuse what Anna Soubry went through, the height of the Brexit debates, the febrile atmosphere when so many thought Brexit was slipping away, is a very different situation to the trans debate which is nowhere near as significant as Brexit was. |
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Post by mattbewilson on Feb 13, 2022 0:28:28 GMT
Her interview was advertised on Google podcasts so I gave it a listen while walking the dogs. There were a couple of things that stook on my head.
It's very easy to forget politicians are people too and this was a reminder to me that Rosie was kind of thrown into Westminster politics rather unexpectedly as no one ever expected her to win and dhe alludes that she was the only member of Canterbury CLP to apply.
Rosie is clearly not a Westminster politician in the sense she's been training for this and says so herself. Saying there are people who've done this since 12 and she kind of just came into it.
In this vain it's obvious in this int as she doesn't always seem to think what she says before she says it. Asked what kind of things she wants from the leadership she kind of meanders from calling gor tougher language, admitting not a lot can be done, to what legislation is coming, to something about statements of support and condemning abuse on twitter with her final saying stuff like 'yeah you know what i mean'. Which i do when I'm trailing off.
Asked if Stamer is a coward she says I don't know. Asked about is he showing leadership she starts talking about leadership in the MPs office.
Doesn't seem awfully prepared. Not a criticism, just a reminder that she's a fairly normal person who does normal things like forgetting what to say next. It is easy to forget that.
I think it's because of this she holds views on an issue which isn't really in step with party policy. She's by no means anywhere near some interesting characters we've had. But had Canterbury been on the target list would she had been shortlisted? Maybe, i don't know. I think we should have as many normal folk as possible even if it does their views aren't always shared.
Historically she has identified as soft left. A member of open labour, a group that encompasses soft to harder (but not corbyn) left tenancies. Fair to say she's on the more soft side though. In this interview she definitely refers to herself as being part of a more centrist faction and at odds with the corbynista faction. Open Labour appears to disappeared into the ether at this point.
She referred throughout to a small group of toxic people. Says momentum are still a lsrge force. She describes Labour as two parties that Stsrker is trying to cater to which is unsustainable. She says a trickle of expulsions is not enough. Doesn't call for a militant style expulsion though. Does she think there is a larger more centrist contingent and Stamer should draw a line in the sand where the toxic element should get off?
She says she thinks that the inaction over anti semitism has continued into inaction over this.
To top it off she's not leaving for the tories because of brexit and immigration. Unfortunately I think there in lies our problem. If the dividing issues between Labour and the tories are the very issues which many voters abandoned us over in the last 15 years then that says more about the current priorities of the Labour Party than it says about the tories
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Post by Khunanup on Feb 13, 2022 2:01:53 GMT
From my understanding, the Labour Party has no concept of approved parliamentary candidates as the Lib Dems and the Tories do, with any member being able to put themselves forward for selection for any seat (with shortlisting then taking place via normal procedures).
If that is correct, the kind of lack of prep and support she's received prior to her selection is more a situation of design rather than happenstance and if that's continued to after her election with someone who has already come in as an isolated individual (in contrast to other surprising election winners that year like Stephen Morgan in Portsmouth South) then her specific views have only continued to alienate her within a parliamentary group with no inbuilt institutional support from the wider party as happens with those who have statuses of approved candidates.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Feb 13, 2022 2:10:27 GMT
The Labour Party does have an approved candidate list, but the procedure for selection hadn't begun before the 2017 election was called so an improvised procedure was adopted which involved little more than a quick interview with an NEC member and a vote by a tiny panel to select. You'll note it led to far more serious problems in other constituencies (Sheffield Hallam ring any bells?)
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Post by ilerda on Feb 13, 2022 2:19:16 GMT
The 2017 selection process did result in some rather below-par people being elected as MPs in seats that were most likely serious targets in 2015.
High Peak, Colne Valley, Peterborough, Ipswich, Brighton Kemptown all spring immediately to mind.
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Post by batman on Feb 13, 2022 8:58:39 GMT
Ipswich & Brighton Kemptown seem harsh. Lloyd Russell-Moyle isn't to everyone's taste but to my mind he's not been a bad MP at all. And I've not seen Sandy Martin described in such terms before. Ruth George was hardly the worst either and while she was an MP Thelma Walker was perfectly OK - even if she has gone off the rails since.
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Post by andrea on Feb 13, 2022 10:35:25 GMT
From my understanding, the Labour Party has no concept of approved parliamentary candidates as the Lib Dems and the Tories do, with any member being able to put themselves forward for selection for any seat (with shortlisting then taking place via normal procedures). Pre-2017 when there was time for full selection processes, those selected without being on the approved parliamentary candidates list were called for an interview by a NEC panel before confirming their selection. It was the case with the current Hull East MP who was selected in 2010 without being on the approved list. Even more complicated was the selection in Halifax in 2005. Linda Riordan applied to be on the party approved parliamentary candidates panel and on the Co-Op approved parliamentary candidates panel. Party rejected her, Co-Op approved her. All people on affiliates's approved lists are automatically endorsed too. However, in this case, the same person was rejected at the interview for party panel. So NEC organization sub-committee decided to call her for re-interview after selection and failed her again (she was "judged deficient on national policy"). In the end, full NEC opted to endorse her. |
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