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Post by neilm on Sept 18, 2015 11:24:23 GMT
For all our mockery of dubious defections, never rule out a principled one where they know they will lose but do it because they want to prove a point. Come now, all those 'senior councillors' who detect do so on principle. The principle that they've just been deselected. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Sept 18, 2015 11:30:49 GMT
For all our mockery of dubious defections, never rule out a principled one where they know they will lose but do it because they want to prove a point. Particularly if they are minded to stand down in 2020 in any case. |
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Post by hedgehog on Sept 20, 2015 11:52:27 GMT
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Post by carlton43 on Sept 20, 2015 12:03:14 GMT
Would there be any traction in forming an inner-party faction (Real Labour or Inclusive Labour)rather than leaving the party? Perhaps even going so far as to draw up an alternative programme and to appoint faction spokesmen on all the major offices. In other words set up an alternative decent honest untainted Labour for people to rally round.
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Post by Merseymike on Sept 20, 2015 13:16:45 GMT
They already have that. I think the defectors might consider calling themselves Not Labour, or A Bit Tory, Really
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Post by Merseymike on Sept 20, 2015 13:18:34 GMT
Kate Hoey or Frank Field won't go. Mavericks who wouldn't fit into other parties any better |
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Post by finsobruce on Sept 20, 2015 13:19:34 GMT
Kate Hoey or Frank Field won't go. Mavericks who wouldn't fit into other parties any better No party big enough to hold 'em. They're having far too much fun where they are for one thing..... |
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Post by Merseymike on Sept 20, 2015 21:01:06 GMT
Kate Hoey or Frank Field won't go. Mavericks who wouldn't fit into other parties any better No party big enough to hold 'em. They're having far too much fun where they are for one thing..... Yes. Kate would be happier under Corbyn than New Labour in any case. |
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Post by Merseymike on Sept 20, 2015 21:04:17 GMT
An interesting possibility. Baroness Jenny Tonge - independent and former LD peer and strong supporter of the Palestinian cause has said she is an enthusiast for Labour under Jeremy Corbyn.
I'd welcome this one. Always been a great admirer and despite its image the LD's are a very Zionist party.
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Post by La Fontaine on Sept 21, 2015 8:40:57 GMT
I can think of at least two who I would think more likely than some on this list. But I don't think anyone will defect unless they are retiring anyway. I would guess maybe four over the parliament. Not necessarily all to the Lib-deems. |
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Post by The Bishop on Sept 21, 2015 8:48:00 GMT
That list is indeed a load of bollards - and when did odds of 50/1 against ever previously mean that something was "likely"??   Everybody is aware that CityAM is the most appalling propagandist hard right rag, no? |
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Post by hedgehog on Sept 21, 2015 10:00:26 GMT
I dont think i'll take up the 10/1 odds on the first Labour defection heading to the Greens.
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Post by john07 on Sept 21, 2015 12:40:45 GMT
That list is indeed a load of bollards - and when did odds of 50/1 against ever previously mean that something was "likely"?? Everybody is aware that CityAM is the most appalling propagandist hard right rag, no? Please let it be Frank Field or Kate Hoey. |
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Post by The Bishop on Sept 21, 2015 12:59:23 GMT
That list is indeed a load of bollards - and when did odds of 50/1 against ever previously mean that something was "likely"?? Everybody is aware that CityAM is the most appalling propagandist hard right rag, no? Please let it be Frank Field or Kate Hoey. Unlikely, it seems - Hoey has actually been a lot less anti-Corbyn than several Labour MPs, and even Field says he "understands" why Jez has been elected. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Sept 21, 2015 13:09:23 GMT
Frank Field nominated Jeremy Corbyn, so it would look a tad hypocritical for him to defect on the grounds of Corbyn's fundamental unsuitability. And Kate Hoey likes his inclination to be sceptical on Europe; also remember Kate Hoey has some history on the far left.
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Post by greenhert on Sept 21, 2015 13:45:59 GMT
David, I am pretty sure Frank Field only nominated Jeremy Corbyn so that there could be a useful leadership debate-many of Frank's views are incompatible with Jeremy's overall stance.
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Post by john07 on Sept 21, 2015 13:54:53 GMT
David, I am pretty sure Frank Field only nominated Jeremy Corbyn so that there could be a useful leadership debate-many of Frank's views are incompatible with Jeremy's overall stance. David Miliband nominated Diane Abbot last time around! |
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Post by iainbhx on Sept 23, 2015 10:41:15 GMT
David, I am pretty sure Frank Field only nominated Jeremy Corbyn so that there could be a useful leadership debate-many of Frank's views are incompatible with Jeremy's overall stance. I suspect he just did it for the lulz. |
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Post by lennon on Sept 23, 2015 10:57:06 GMT
Back on topic - hearing rumours of a 'hush hush' guest speaker at UKIP conference. Clearly some are already talking of a defection, with (unsurprisingly perhaps) the MP for Rochdale being touted as a possibility.
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Post by The Bishop on Sept 23, 2015 11:04:25 GMT
He said pretty unambiguously on Twitter the other day that he wasn't going anywhere. Of course that doesn't in itself mean he won't, but......
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