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Post by ilerda on Dec 3, 2024 19:18:56 GMT
Tim Montgomerie, formerly of ConservativeHome, has now joined Reform UK Maybe the current Conservative Party will just become mainstream and central/centrist by virtue of all the extremists fleeing to the Farage -Musk Evangelical Society? Calling Tim Montgomerie an extremist betrays a severe misunderstanding of his politics. |
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Post by cathyc on Dec 3, 2024 19:32:10 GMT
Maybe the current Conservative Party will just become mainstream and central/centrist by virtue of all the extremists fleeing to the Farage -Musk Evangelical Society? Calling Tim Montgomerie an extremist betrays a severe misunderstanding of his politics. Moving deckchairs within the Uniparty. |
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Post by uthacalthing on Dec 3, 2024 19:34:33 GMT
People who think Tim Montgomerie is an extremist need pharmaceutical help. Or better Pharmaceutical help than they are currently receiving.
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Post by Merseymike on Dec 3, 2024 20:06:35 GMT
Maybe the current Conservative Party will just become mainstream and central/centrist by virtue of all the extremists fleeing to the Farage -Musk Evangelical Society? Calling Tim Montgomerie an extremist betrays a severe misunderstanding of his politics. Extremist? No, but two conservative parties? Montgomerie always was. He is a conservative. Badenoch is a conservative. So why Reform? |
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Post by Rutlander on Dec 3, 2024 20:24:47 GMT
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Dec 3, 2024 20:31:13 GMT
Labour councillors have had it drummed into us for several years that paying your subs, towards the Labour group's campaigning and the ALC levy, isn't voluntary and not paying is grounds for deselection.
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Dec 3, 2024 20:33:31 GMT
Tim Montgomerie, formerly of ConservativeHome, has now joined Reform UK Bad news for Reform. |
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Post by cathyc on Dec 3, 2024 21:18:15 GMT
Tim Montgomerie, formerly of ConservativeHome, has now joined Reform UK Bad news for Reform. Although he has managed to raise the IQ in both parties at a single stroke. |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Dec 3, 2024 21:23:57 GMT
Calling Tim Montgomerie an extremist betrays a severe misunderstanding of his politics. Extremist? No, but two conservative parties? Montgomerie always was. He is a conservative. Badenoch is a conservative. So why Reform? Two conservative parties *for now*. With all the decent, mainstream, moderates defeated or pushed out or otherwise non grata the rump parliamentary party is a ragtag bunch without much of an identity. Badenoch is essentially Reform anyway, Patel certainly is. With the Musk money going to Reform that really should torpedo any centrist conservatives so who knows what happens to the sensible wing of British conservatism. |
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Post by Rutlander on Dec 3, 2024 23:22:59 GMT
Cotswold, Tetbury with Upton (2027). Chris Twells, Independent (elected as Liberal Democrat) to Liberal Party. Twells now appears as an Independent on the Cotswold DC website On the register of interests, he includes: Leader, Gloucestershire Independents (Political Party) Officer, RABIT - Residents Against Bureaucracy In Tetbury (Minor Party) |
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Post by uthacalthing on Dec 3, 2024 23:36:16 GMT
Calling Tim Montgomerie an extremist betrays a severe misunderstanding of his politics. Extremist? No, but two conservative parties? Montgomerie always was. He is a conservative. Badenoch is a conservative. So why Reform? |
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Post by mattbewilson on Dec 3, 2024 23:37:52 GMT
Labour councillors have had it drummed into us for several years that paying your subs, towards the Labour group's campaigning and the ALC levy, isn't voluntary and not paying is grounds for deselection. I assumed it would be suspension |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Dec 4, 2024 6:10:14 GMT
Labour councillors have had it drummed into us for several years that paying your subs, towards the Labour group's campaigning and the ALC levy, isn't voluntary and not paying is grounds for deselection. It is on those grounds that HMRC accepts them as a deductable work-related expense. |
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Post by ilerda on Dec 4, 2024 8:21:21 GMT
Extremist? No, but two conservative parties? Montgomerie always was. He is a conservative. Badenoch is a conservative. So why Reform? Two conservative parties *for now*. With all the decent, mainstream, moderates defeated or pushed out or otherwise non grata the rump parliamentary party is a ragtag bunch without much of an identity. Badenoch is essentially Reform anyway, Patel certainly is. With the Musk money going to Reform that really should torpedo any centrist conservatives so who knows what happens to the sensible wing of British conservatism. This is what I find so astonishing about a lot of self-proclaimed centrists/liberals. They expect every other party to offer just a slightly tweaked or rebadged version of their own worldview. They can't conceive of a world in which people - voters and party members alike - might genuinely want a party that is actually conservative. |
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Post by Merseymike on Dec 4, 2024 8:38:01 GMT
Two conservative parties *for now*. With all the decent, mainstream, moderates defeated or pushed out or otherwise non grata the rump parliamentary party is a ragtag bunch without much of an identity. Badenoch is essentially Reform anyway, Patel certainly is. With the Musk money going to Reform that really should torpedo any centrist conservatives so who knows what happens to the sensible wing of British conservatism. This is what I find so astonishing about a lot of self-proclaimed centrists/liberals. They expect every other party to offer just a slightly tweaked or rebadged version of their own worldview. They can't conceive of a world in which people - voters and party members alike - might genuinely want a party that is actually conservative. Two parties - are they both conservatives? |
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Post by observer on Dec 4, 2024 9:26:49 GMT
Two conservative parties *for now*. With all the decent, mainstream, moderates defeated or pushed out or otherwise non grata the rump parliamentary party is a ragtag bunch without much of an identity. Badenoch is essentially Reform anyway, Patel certainly is. With the Musk money going to Reform that really should torpedo any centrist conservatives so who knows what happens to the sensible wing of British conservatism. This is what I find so astonishing about a lot of self-proclaimed centrists/liberals. They expect every other party to offer just a slightly tweaked or rebadged version of their own worldview. They can't conceive of a world in which people - voters and party members alike - might genuinely want a party that is actually conservative. And these 'centrists' aren't actually centrist They invariably believe in: Climate change - and all that that involves; More wokery - and all that involves; More globalism - and all that that involves; More taxation - and all that that involves; More war - and all that that involves. Less free speech - and all that that involves. Pretty extreme actually. They are totally unaware |
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Post by islington on Dec 4, 2024 9:38:58 GMT
This is what I find so astonishing about a lot of self-proclaimed centrists/liberals. They expect every other party to offer just a slightly tweaked or rebadged version of their own worldview. They can't conceive of a world in which people - voters and party members alike - might genuinely want a party that is actually conservative. And these 'centrists' aren't actually centrist They invariably believe in: Climate change - and all that that involves; More wokery - and all that involves; More globalism - and all that that involves; More taxation - and all that that involves; More war - and all that that involves. Less free speech - and all that that involves. Pretty extreme actually. They are totally unaware Belief in climate change is 'extreme'? Do all these beliefs necessarily go together? If I believe that climate change is real, does it then follow automatically that I support more wars, higher taxes and restricting free speech? |
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Post by No Offence Alan on Dec 4, 2024 10:09:07 GMT
Centrists wanting wars?
It was the right that cheered on Russia's invasion of the Ukraine.
It was the left that cheered on the Hamas attack of October 7th 2023.
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