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Post by tucson on Mar 3, 2023 13:42:18 GMT
Joanne Calvert, Liverpool CC , Old Swan Ward,
Liverpool Community Independents to Independent (elected as Lab)
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Post by jamesdoyle on Mar 3, 2023 13:59:37 GMT
I think it's a shame the Co-Operative party doesn't allow you to be a member of any other party than Labour. I understand the history of the Co-Operative party, but Co-operatism isn't necessarily a centre left ideology, and it could easily make sense for a paternalistic Conservative, a social liberal or a Green to agree with the aims, but I guess if they were to allow other party members to use the Co-Operative Party badge in some way, Labour would just end the agreement with them. Edit: Even the Labour MPs seem to cross the internal spectrum of the party, from right leaning Labour MPs like Steve Reed to left leaning MPs like Lloyd Russell Moyle. I agree. I don't have a detailed knowledge of what policies, if any, the Co-Op party has, but I think the principle of co-operativism is much undervalued and underutilised these days. I could certainly see myself joining a party with that as a main pillar of their principles. Perhaps we should join and mount a takeover - rather-amiable-and-not-very-militant Militant! |
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Post by andrea on Mar 3, 2023 14:00:16 GMT
Joanne Calvert, Liverpool CC , Old Swan Ward, Liverpool Community Independents to Independent (elected as Lab) And Anna Rothery suspended by the Liverpool Community Independents group. Both Calvert and Rothery are named in the "Parking Fines Scandal". |
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Post by olympian95 on Mar 3, 2023 22:35:33 GMT
Defection from Lab to LD - Cumberland (Upperby ward)
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Post by CatholicLeft on Mar 4, 2023 0:14:36 GMT
Defection from Lab to LD - Cumberland (Upperby ward) Yes, we know (see above). He had apparently tried to join the Co-operative Party, as they aligned with his socialist principles, till he realised that meant he was still a Labout-aligned councillor. So, now the Lib Dems aligh with his socialist principles. |
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Post by michaelarden on Mar 4, 2023 0:29:43 GMT
Defection from Lab to LD - Cumberland (Upperby ward) Yes, we know (see above). He had apparently tried to join the Co-operative Party, as they aligned with his socialist principles, till he realised that meant he was still a Labout-aligned councillor. So, now the Lib Dems aligh with his socialist principles. Is he in Farron's new constituency? |
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Mar 4, 2023 1:13:18 GMT
Defection from Lab to LD - Cumberland (Upperby ward) Yes, we know (see above). He had apparently tried to join the Co-operative Party, as they aligned with his socialist principles, till he realised that meant he was still a Labout-aligned councillor. So, now the Lib Dems aligh with his socialist principles. I'd like to hope that our Social Democrat element aligns with his principles. Though you can never tell with defectors, I once went to meet a defecting Tory and my Lib Dem colleague said "This reminds me of the good old days meeting Taliban defectors in Helmand." He didn't last long. |
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Post by tucson on Mar 4, 2023 3:36:47 GMT
Yes, we know (see above). He had apparently tried to join the Co-operative Party, as they aligned with his socialist principles, till he realised that meant he was still a Labout-aligned councillor. So, now the Lib Dems aligh with his socialist principles. Is he in Farron's new constituency? No where near |
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Post by The Bishop on Mar 4, 2023 10:05:49 GMT
Yes, we know (see above). He had apparently tried to join the Co-operative Party, as they aligned with his socialist principles, till he realised that meant he was still a Labout-aligned councillor. So, now the Lib Dems aligh with his socialist principles. Is he in Farron's new constituency? Don't think that Labour got anyone elected there last year? |
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Post by batman on Mar 4, 2023 10:27:41 GMT
No, there hasn't been a Labour councillor elected in Farron's constituency for years. The only Labour councillors in the district have been in Ulverston, which is in the Barrow & Furness constituency.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Mar 4, 2023 10:30:30 GMT
Last Labour councillors elected in Kendal were in 2002 I think.
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Post by The Bishop on Mar 4, 2023 10:47:10 GMT
The reference was to Farron's "new" constituency that will come into being at the next GE, but I'm pretty sure the above still applies.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Mar 4, 2023 11:08:30 GMT
The reference was to Farron's "new" constituency that will come into being at the next GE, but I'm pretty sure the above still applies. The Lib Dems won all bar one seat in the incoming area in the inaugural elections to Westmorland & Furness council (and therefore all bar one within the new boundaries of this constituency). (the one exception is the Conservative elected in Kirby Stephen). |
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Post by neilm on Mar 4, 2023 14:09:24 GMT
I think it's a shame the Co-Operative party doesn't allow you to be a member of any other party than Labour. I understand the history of the Co-Operative party, but Co-operatism isn't necessarily a centre left ideology, and it could easily make sense for a paternalistic Conservative, a social liberal or a Green to agree with the aims, but I guess if they were to allow other party members to use the Co-Operative Party badge in some way, Labour would just end the agreement with them. Edit: Even the Labour MPs seem to cross the internal spectrum of the party, from right leaning Labour MPs like Steve Reed to left leaning MPs like Lloyd Russell Moyle. I agree. I don't have a detailed knowledge of what policies, if any, the Co-Op party has, but I think the principle of co-operativism is much undervalued and underutilised these days. I could certainly see myself joining a party with that as a main pillar of their principles. Perhaps we should join and mount a takeover - rather-amiable-and-not-very-militant Militant! I'm also in the dark about the Co-operative Party and its actual policies. There is a sound case from the economic right for cooperatives and mutuals: if they focused on that alone then I'd be interested in joining. As it stands, they seem to have not been very effective at working towards those principles when Labour are in power and look like they need to widen the net. |
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Post by timrollpickering on Mar 4, 2023 17:22:24 GMT
I remember a few years ago there was a great outcry on Twitter about a vote at the forthcoming Co-operative Group AGM that could see it stop funding the Co-operative Party and I found myself wondering what the party actually does because I've only ever seen it in some Labour candidates' descriptions. Including this one:
So I dug out my Co-op Group card and made sure to vote against funding it.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Mar 4, 2023 17:30:03 GMT
The vote on maintaining Co-op Group funding of the Co-operative Party happens annually in advance of every AGM.
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Post by timrollpickering on Mar 4, 2023 17:33:18 GMT
That year there seemed to be a concerted effort made by both proponents and opponents rather than just a routine vote on the agenda.
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Post by J.G.Harston on Mar 4, 2023 19:34:20 GMT
I remember a few years ago there was a great outcry on Twitter about a vote at the forthcoming Co-operative Group AGM that could see it stop funding the Co-operative Party and I found myself wondering what the party actually does because I've only ever seen it in some Labour candidates' descriptions. Including this one: So I dug out my Co-op Group card and made sure to vote against funding it. I always vote to "fund groups and organisations that further co-operative principles" and against funding any specific group. |
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Post by AdminSTB on Mar 4, 2023 19:49:48 GMT
I remember a few years ago there was a great outcry on Twitter about a vote at the forthcoming Co-operative Group AGM that could see it stop funding the Co-operative Party and I found myself wondering what the party actually does because I've only ever seen it in some Labour candidates' descriptions. Including this one: So I dug out my Co-op Group card and made sure to vote against funding it. How many members does the Coop Party have? About 15,000? They aren't the third biggest party in MP terms and weren't in 2017 unless I've miscounted. |
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Post by timrollpickering on Mar 4, 2023 20:54:49 GMT
When that edition was transmitted the Wikipedia page on the Co-op Party said it had 37 MPs and the SNP were on 36 at the time. Assuming Wikipedia reflected the contemporary total that sounds about right and I presume the party did particularly badly in 2019. I'm not sure if the figure is all the MPs elected as "Labour and Co-operative", all the Labour MPs who sit in any organised group at Westminster or even every single MP who is a member - IIUC many straight "Labour" candidates are also Co-op Party members (and in local government I believe only a full slate are allowed to use the joint description). |
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