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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2023 23:22:29 GMT
This is a weird defection. Former Rochdale Labour Councillor John Hartley stood down last year for "a few years rest." Then applied for selection in his former ward of Littleborough Lakeside for both Labour and Conservative, and decided to stand for the Conservatives. His ideological reasoning? The Tory leader told him:‘if I was to stand as a Conservative candidate, I didn’t need to play politics, if elected they would allow me to just do the job of representing the ward to the best of my abilities, no need for knocking on hundreds of doors all over the borough, so really for me it’s a no brainer’. Oh, and the Tories kicked out their sitting councillor to achieve this. www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/labour-left-flabbergasted-veteran-councillor-26296917?int_source=nbaDon't you need to be a Labour member to be a candidate? That would imply that he's running as a Conservative while a member of Labour? |
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Post by CatholicLeft on Feb 22, 2023 23:31:01 GMT
This is a weird defection. Former Rochdale Labour Councillor John Hartley stood down last year for "a few years rest." Then applied for selection in his former ward of Littleborough Lakeside for both Labour and Conservative, and decided to stand for the Conservatives. His ideological reasoning? The Tory leader told him:‘if I was to stand as a Conservative candidate, I didn’t need to play politics, if elected they would allow me to just do the job of representing the ward to the best of my abilities, no need for knocking on hundreds of doors all over the borough, so really for me it’s a no brainer’. Oh, and the Tories kicked out their sitting councillor to achieve this. www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/labour-left-flabbergasted-veteran-councillor-26296917?int_source=nbaDon't you need to be a Labour member to be a candidate? That would imply that he's running as a Conservative while a member of Labour? Indeed, very odd. We had a similar situation in the early '80s in North Reddish, where the Conservative candidate turned out to be an SDP member who had tried for selection in another ward for that party. He hadn't been a councillor though. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2023 23:35:23 GMT
Well in this case I think it's safe to say he won't be a member for much longer
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Post by carlton43 on Feb 23, 2023 0:15:41 GMT
Don't you need to be a Labour member to be a candidate? That would imply that he's running as a Conservative while a member of Labour? Indeed, very odd. We had a similar situation in the early '80s in North Reddish, where the Conservative candidate turned out to be an SDP member who had tried for selection in another ward for that party. He hadn't been a councillor though. I remember the heady days of High Thatcherism, when in the South East, the Conservatives ran quite a few ex-Labour councillors as candidates. Later in the pub the day after the elections there were three elected who had not expected to be even close. I said "By the way chaps do check to ensure you have cancelled any standing orders or direct debits to Labour won't you!" Two found that they were still subscribers. The Conservatives then were not very concerned by such niceties and it was very unusual to get expelled for anything except illicit sex with a wife or daughter of a member of the Executive Committee. |
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Post by Crimson King on Feb 23, 2023 8:24:15 GMT
Indeed, very odd. We had a similar situation in the early '80s in North Reddish, where the Conservative candidate turned out to be an SDP member who had tried for selection in another ward for that party. He hadn't been a councillor though. I remember the heady days of High Thatcherism, when in the South East, the Conservatives ran quite a few ex-Labour councillors as candidates. Later in the pub the day after the elections there were three elected who had not expected to be even close. I said "By the way chaps do check to ensure you have cancelled any standing orders or direct debits to Labour won't you!" Two found that they were still subscribers. The Conservatives then were not very concerned by such niceties and it was very unusual to get expelled for anything except illicit sex with a wife or daughter of a member of the Executive Committee. I don’t think you can let that last sentence hang there without further background |
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Post by batman on Feb 23, 2023 9:04:57 GMT
This is a weird defection. Former Rochdale Labour Councillor John Hartley stood down last year for "a few years rest." Then applied for selection in his former ward of Littleborough Lakeside for both Labour and Conservative, and decided to stand for the Conservatives. His ideological reasoning? The Tory leader told him:‘if I was to stand as a Conservative candidate, I didn’t need to play politics, if elected they would allow me to just do the job of representing the ward to the best of my abilities, no need for knocking on hundreds of doors all over the borough, so really for me it’s a no brainer’. Oh, and the Tories kicked out their sitting councillor to achieve this. www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/labour-left-flabbergasted-veteran-councillor-26296917?int_source=nbaDon't you need to be a Labour member to be a candidate? That would imply that he's running as a Conservative while a member of Labour? it seems to imply that, while he was a Labour Party member, he was running around behind the local party's back approaching the Conservatives. Such a person is better off not being in the Labour Party. The same would apply if it were the other way round. And before you ask yes, I am not particularly happy that Christian Wakeford has been selected. |
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Post by batman on Feb 23, 2023 9:05:50 GMT
I remember the heady days of High Thatcherism, when in the South East, the Conservatives ran quite a few ex-Labour councillors as candidates. Later in the pub the day after the elections there were three elected who had not expected to be even close. I said "By the way chaps do check to ensure you have cancelled any standing orders or direct debits to Labour won't you!" Two found that they were still subscribers. The Conservatives then were not very concerned by such niceties and it was very unusual to get expelled for anything except illicit sex with a wife or daughter of a member of the Executive Committee. I don’t think you can let that last sentence hang there without further background as opposed to hanging in there maybe |
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Post by aargauer on Feb 23, 2023 9:10:21 GMT
Don't you need to be a Labour member to be a candidate? That would imply that he's running as a Conservative while a member of Labour? it seems to imply that, while he was a Labour Party member, he was running around behind the local party's back approaching the Conservatives. Such a person is better off not being in the Labour Party. The same would apply if it were the other way round. And before you ask yes, I am not particularly happy that Christian Wakeford has been selected. Another Alan Amos - a complete opportunist. |
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Post by carlton43 on Feb 23, 2023 10:30:40 GMT
I remember the heady days of High Thatcherism, when in the South East, the Conservatives ran quite a few ex-Labour councillors as candidates. Later in the pub the day after the elections there were three elected who had not expected to be even close. I said "By the way chaps do check to ensure you have cancelled any standing orders or direct debits to Labour won't you!" Two found that they were still subscribers. The Conservatives then were not very concerned by such niceties and it was very unusual to get expelled for anything except illicit sex with a wife or daughter of a member of the Executive Committee. I don’t think you can let that last sentence hang there without further background Don't ask! Don't tell! To coin a phrase. In another life and another age. The way we were! I suppose one might add an act of arson in party HQ or defacing the portraits of our dear Queen or the PM? (I refer of course to Victoria and Disraeli) |
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Post by Crimson King on Feb 23, 2023 10:33:43 GMT
I don’t think you can let that last sentence hang there without further background Don't ask! Don't tell! To coin a phrase. In another life and another age. The way we were! I suppose one might add an act of arson in party HQ or defacing the portraits of our dear Queen or the PM? (I refer of course to Victoria and Disraeli) I guess illicit sex with the wife and the daughter got you a plaque in the Con club, simultaneously gets you a statue outside |
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Post by iainbhx on Feb 23, 2023 11:38:40 GMT
Don't ask! Don't tell! To coin a phrase. In another life and another age. The way we were! I suppose one might add an act of arson in party HQ or defacing the portraits of our dear Queen or the PM? (I refer of course to Victoria and Disraeli) I guess illicit sex with the wife and the daughter got you a plaque in the Con club, simultaneously gets you a statue outside Wife and two daughters would get you the Alan Clark memorial award. |
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Post by timmullen1 on Feb 23, 2023 13:28:47 GMT
Don't ask! Don't tell! To coin a phrase. In another life and another age. The way we were! I suppose one might add an act of arson in party HQ or defacing the portraits of our dear Queen or the PM? (I refer of course to Victoria and Disraeli) I guess illicit sex with the wife and the daughter got you a plaque in the Con club, simultaneously gets you a statue outside Or the selection in Kensington and Chelsea as I think it was in ‘97… |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Feb 23, 2023 15:33:43 GMT
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Post by carolus on Feb 23, 2023 15:39:21 GMT
Rochford, Foulness & The Wakerings (2026). Jo McPherson, Conservative to Unaligned.
Rochford, Hawkwell West (2026). Julie Gooding, Conservative to Unaligned.
Rochford, Roche South (2026). James Gooding, Conservative to Unaligned.
I think that means the Conservatives lose their majority (now 19/39).
Rushcliffe, Lutterell. Benjamin Gray, Independent to Green. Was elected as Labour.
Stockport, Brinnington & Central. Amanda Peers, Labour to Independent.
Stockport, Brinnington & Central. Andy Sorton, Labour to Independent.
Winchester, St Luke (2024). Jamie Scott, Conservative to Lib Dem (at least, according to the website). Was elected as LD in 2016, then as Con in 2021.
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Post by AdminSTB on Feb 23, 2023 17:31:59 GMT
I guess illicit sex with the wife and the daughter got you a plaque in the Con club, simultaneously gets you a statue outside Wife and two daughters would get you the Alan Clark memorial award. Replete with a threat to be horse whipped by a judge. |
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Post by Tony Otim on Feb 23, 2023 17:52:01 GMT
As noted on the Edinburgh thread:
Cllr Ross Mackenzie, already suspended twice since May, Labour to Independent in the middle of the budget debate...
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Post by tonyhill on Feb 23, 2023 19:06:00 GMT
Oh not Jamie Scott again (Winchester). He did us a favour by defecting back to the Conservatives (and in my view did the right thing by making sure we couldn't launch a coup to take control (see Kunanup's comment about Southampton on the Bournemouth thread), but ping-ponging like this is just silly.
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Post by timmullen1 on Feb 23, 2023 19:08:54 GMT
Wife and two daughters would get you the Alan Clark memorial award. Replete with a threat to be horse whipped by a judge. I wonder if Sky would’ve sent Kay Burley to recreate that? 🤔 |
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Post by Tony Otim on Feb 23, 2023 19:37:39 GMT
Oh not Jamie Scott again (Winchester). He did us a favour by defecting back to the Conservatives (and in my view did the right thing by making sure we couldn't launch a coup to take control (see Kunanup's comment about Southampton on the Bournemouth thread), but ping-ponging like this is just silly. Maybe you should stop letting him back in? |
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Post by batman on Feb 23, 2023 19:51:27 GMT
this is what happened to Marc Cranfield-Adams in Richmond-upon-Thames. He was originally elected as Conservative, defected to LD, defected back to Conservative and then LD again. He became a joke basically.
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