hengog
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Post by hengog on Oct 28, 2024 22:52:46 GMT
I wasn’t really serious, but the combination of his strong views on law and order with an impressive straight jab and an apparent fondness for beer seemed to tick a few boxes.
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mboy
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Post by mboy on Oct 29, 2024 8:59:31 GMT
If it emerges that there was at least some plausible element of provocation, them I'm sure Reform would happily take him.
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Post by carlton43 on Oct 29, 2024 11:37:21 GMT
If it emerges that there was at least some plausible element of provocation, them I'm sure Reform would happily take him. I really don't think so and would be adamantly opposed to his admission. |
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nyx
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Post by nyx on Nov 20, 2024 2:21:27 GMT
Something I have wondered is whether any Labour MPs are likely to defect to the Lib Dems at some point. There's a decent number of new Labour MPs who had marginal wins in relatively rural constituencies and some of them have vocally opposed the Labour government such as on the recent protests by landowners. Surely there must be at least a few whose loyalty to the Labour Party is weak enough that they would consider it.
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Crimson King
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Post by Crimson King on Nov 20, 2024 8:20:53 GMT
I would be astonished
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Post by aargauer on Nov 20, 2024 9:17:33 GMT
Something I have wondered is whether any Labour MPs are likely to defect to the Lib Dems at some point. There's a decent number of new Labour MPs who had marginal wins in relatively rural constituencies and some of them have vocally opposed the Labour government such as on the recent protests by landowners. Surely there must be at least a few whose loyalty to the Labour Party is weak enough that they would consider it. In pretty much all of those seats, the Tories are second and running as a Lib Dem is very unlikely to be successful. It's more likely we get a Christian Wakefield who decides their most important principle is that they want to win and joins the Tories. |
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Post by batman on Nov 20, 2024 9:27:25 GMT
when was the last one of those, Reg Prentice? That's not to say it couldn't happen again. And he of course was in a rock-solid Labour seat & had to find a Tory seat elsewhere.
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The Bishop
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Post by The Bishop on Nov 20, 2024 11:11:06 GMT
Who are the Labour MPs who have "vocally opposed" the government on the farm changes? As opposed to maybe supporting some tweaks, as indeed might be expected.
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nyx
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Post by nyx on Nov 20, 2024 12:13:36 GMT
Who are the Labour MPs who have "vocally opposed" the government on the farm changes? As opposed to maybe supporting some changes, as indeed might be expected. My apologies, I misremembered. I remembered Jenny Riddell-Carpenter and John Whitby meeting with farmers but it doesn't look like they have been as directly anti-government as I remembered. |
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maxque
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Post by maxque on Nov 20, 2024 22:47:22 GMT
when was the last one of those, Reg Prentice? That's not to say it couldn't happen again. And he of course was in a rock-solid Labour seat & had to find a Tory seat elsewhere. Didn't an Hackney MP defected to LDs in 2004 or 5? |
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Post by mattbewilson on Nov 20, 2024 22:52:20 GMT
when was the last one of those, Reg Prentice? That's not to say it couldn't happen again. And he of course was in a rock-solid Labour seat & had to find a Tory seat elsewhere. Didn't an Hackney MP defected to LDs in 2004 or 5? I have a feeling a MP called Bob Marshall-something did but I don't think he was hackney Edit Marshall Andrews and he didn't defect til 17 was mp for medway |
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Post by carolus on Nov 20, 2024 22:55:02 GMT
when was the last one of those, Reg Prentice? That's not to say it couldn't happen again. And he of course was in a rock-solid Labour seat & had to find a Tory seat elsewhere. Didn't an Hackney MP defected to LDs in 2004 or 5? Wikipedia tells me it was Brian Sedgemore (Hackney South & Shoreditch), but that it happened after the dissolution of parliament before the 2005 general election, so he wasn't actually an MP at the time (and he didn't stand again). |
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Post by swanarcadian on Nov 20, 2024 23:00:59 GMT
Didn't an Hackney MP defected to LDs in 2004 or 5? Wikipedia tells me it was Brian Sedgemore (Hackney South & Shoreditch), but that it happened after the dissolution of parliament before the 2005 general election, so he wasn't actually an MP at the time (and he didn't stand again). Ironically he had ousted an SDP defector when he was first elected to that seat. |
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Post by rcronald on Nov 21, 2024 13:29:32 GMT
Wikipedia tells me it was Brian Sedgemore (Hackney South & Shoreditch), but that it happened after the dissolution of parliament before the 2005 general election, so he wasn't actually an MP at the time (and he didn't stand again). Ironically he had ousted an SDP defector when he was first elected to that seat. he defected to the LibDems during the Iraq war, and outed a political rival in the 80s? Sounds like an utter cunt. |
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Post by finsobruce on Nov 21, 2024 14:35:32 GMT
Ironically he had ousted an SDP defector when he was first elected to that seat. he defected to the LibDems during the Iraq war, and outed a political rival in the 80s? Sounds like an utter cunt. The word was ousted rather than outed.
However, in the more general point if there has ever been a positive word uttered about Sedgemore on this Forum, I must have missed it.  |
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Post by timrollpickering on Nov 21, 2024 16:01:05 GMT
he defected to the LibDems during the Iraq war, and outed a political rival in the 80s? Sounds like an utter cunt. The word was ousted rather than outed. However, in the more general point if there has ever been a positive word uttered about Sedgemore on this Forum, I must have missed it. I have at times quoted his 1990s book on Parliament. e.g. Debated, in the same sense as there was a debate with the Jacobites at Culloden. During the mid 1990s Brian Sedgemore wrote a humorous insider's guide to Parliament with a section on selection and did cover the Machiavellian way to buy a constituency via membership sticking. He noted the attempt to replace Kaufman had failed to observe such practices as: - Only sign on people who actually live in the constituency.
- Forget the dead.
- Sign the new members on in dribs and drabs. The sudden arrival of 100 new members in a constituency party with only 40 members might arouse suspicions.
- Don't make names up.
- Don't sign the cheques yourself.
- Don't do it in Gerald Kaufman's constituency. Not for nothing did Spitting Image portray him as a psychotic from Silence of the Lambs.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Nov 21, 2024 20:25:59 GMT
Ironically he had ousted an SDP defector when he was first elected to that seat. he defected to the LibDems during the Iraq war, and outed a political rival in the 80s? Sounds like an utter cunt. I met him once, not long after his defection. He was indeed an utter cunt. |
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Chris from Brum
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Post by Chris from Brum on Nov 21, 2024 22:30:54 GMT
he defected to the LibDems during the Iraq war, and outed a political rival in the 80s? Sounds like an utter cunt. I met him once, not long after his defection. He was indeed an utter cunt. Known as Sedgebore to Private Eye readers. A somewhat unlikely defector to the Lib Dems, no idea whether he stuck with it for any decent length of time. |
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Post by batman on Nov 21, 2024 22:44:19 GMT
As far as I know he remained a member until his death. Bob Marshall-Andrews is still a member.
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john07
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Post by john07 on Nov 22, 2024 1:02:18 GMT
Didn't an Hackney MP defected to LDs in 2004 or 5? Wikipedia tells me it was Brian Sedgemore (Hackney South & Shoreditch), but that it happened after the dissolution of parliament before the 2005 general election, so he wasn't actually an MP at the time (and he didn't stand again). I remember Sedgemore as a very hard-left and intransigent MP and frequent contributor to Tribune. I bet he was really pleased with himself when Clegg and Laws led the move to the coalition with the Conservatives. |
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