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Post by greenchristian on Oct 17, 2024 18:00:10 GMT
Also it might be jumping the gun a bit for any left wing MP to assume that getting elected as an independent will be easy just because of the success of Corbyn and the heavy Muslim seat ones Yes that's very important to remember. Many on here underestimated independents previously. I sincerely doubt Burgon would win. John McDonnell would have a chance. For some, Greens make more sense. They may get closer to winning. Diane Abbott could win independently, arguably. However, I doubt she runs again. As to whether more independents try? It depends what happens in Gaza. What makes you think that the Gaza war is likely to still be a live issue when the next GE is called in four or five years' time?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2024 18:20:32 GMT
Yes that's very important to remember. Many on here underestimated independents previously. I sincerely doubt Burgon would win. John McDonnell would have a chance. For some, Greens make more sense. They may get closer to winning. Diane Abbott could win independently, arguably. However, I doubt she runs again. As to whether more independents try? It depends what happens in Gaza. What makes you think that the Gaza war is likely to still be a live issue when the next GE is called in four or five years' time?
”It depends what happens in Gaza”. I’m not saying it will be. But McDonnell got the whip suspended. It wasn’t over anything Gaza related. No sign of war stopping, sadly |
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Post by finsobruce on Oct 17, 2024 18:23:10 GMT
Yes that's very important to remember. Many on here underestimated independents previously. I sincerely doubt Burgon would win. John McDonnell would have a chance. For some, Greens make more sense. They may get closer to winning. Diane Abbott could win independently, arguably. However, I doubt she runs again. As to whether more independents try? It depends what happens in Gaza. What makes you think that the Gaza war is likely to still be a live issue when the next GE is called in four or five years' time?
While not a certainty, it would be foolish to deny that it is certainly a possibility. |
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Post by batman on Oct 17, 2024 18:28:43 GMT
Also it might be jumping the gun a bit for any left wing MP to assume that getting elected as an independent will be easy just because of the success of Corbyn and the heavy Muslim seat ones Yes that's very important to remember. Many on here underestimated independents previously. I sincerely doubt Burgon would win. John McDonnell would have a chance. For some, Greens make more sense. They may get closer to winning. Diane Abbott could win independently, arguably. However, I doubt she runs again. As to whether more independents try? It depends what happens in Gaza. I will be very surprised if McDonnell presents himself to the starting post as a candidate standing against an official Labour one. His health, his age & his long-term loyalty to Labour makes it unlikely, though not impossible. He would certainly do better in that capacity than Burgon. |
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Post by Sibboleth on Oct 17, 2024 19:12:45 GMT
McDonnell might well leave but I would guess only in that very special way that means you've not really left and which rules out entirely the idea of joining another party. An absolute classic for elderly Labour politicians over the, well, century.
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Post by The Bishop on Oct 18, 2024 11:32:46 GMT
Interesting - the whip has been suspended. I don't see him defecting, Harry. I could see Zarah Sultana defect. She could join the Independent Alliance. Is this correct? Just that I still haven't seen it mentioned anywhere else. |
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Post by Ben Walker on Oct 18, 2024 11:37:50 GMT
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Post by Jack on Oct 18, 2024 11:38:50 GMT
Interesting - the whip has been suspended. I don't see him defecting, Harry. I could see Zarah Sultana defect. She could join the Independent Alliance. Is this correct? Just that I still haven't seen it mentioned anywhere else. The whip was suspended in July because he voted for an SNP amendment about scrapping the two-child benefit cap. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2024 11:38:56 GMT
Interesting - the whip has been suspended. I don't see him defecting, Harry. I could see Zarah Sultana defect. She could join the Independent Alliance. Is this correct? Just that I still haven't seen it mentioned anywhere else. He’s been an independent since July. |
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Post by The Bishop on Oct 18, 2024 11:43:54 GMT
D'oh! Though your wording made it appear as if it was in response to this development, so I blame @sanders for the senior moment  |
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Post by batman on Oct 27, 2024 19:56:29 GMT
as mentioned elsewhere, Mike Amesbury, MP for Runcorn & Helsby, has lost the Labour Whip.
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Post by rcronald on Oct 28, 2024 11:13:12 GMT
as mentioned elsewhere, Mike Amesbury, MP for Runcorn & Helsby, has lost the Labour Whip. I’m sure that many MPs over the years wanted to do the exact same thing! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2024 13:58:43 GMT
as mentioned elsewhere, Mike Amesbury, MP for Runcorn & Helsby, has lost the Labour Whip. Yeah but he's not really an independent who lost the whip due to principled opposition to say, winter fuel payment changes etc. This isn't the thread for it, really. |
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Post by stb12 on Oct 28, 2024 14:30:07 GMT
as mentioned elsewhere, Mike Amesbury, MP for Runcorn & Helsby, has lost the Labour Whip. Yeah but he's not really an independent who lost the whip due to principled opposition to say, winter fuel payment changes etc. This isn't the thread for it, really. Whip removals for all reasons tend to get mention in here |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2024 14:33:50 GMT
Yeah but he's not really an independent who lost the whip due to principled opposition to say, winter fuel payment changes etc. This isn't the thread for it, really. Whip removals for all reasons tend to get mention in here They are not voluntary Parliamentary defections. |
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Post by batman on Oct 28, 2024 14:55:11 GMT
it is in a sense, he went to the police voluntarily  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2024 16:14:21 GMT
it is in a sense, he went to the police voluntarily You can quote me on here. |
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Post by hengog on Oct 28, 2024 16:54:57 GMT
Guido has some amusing clips of him condemning violence and complaining at the lack of prosecutions even when clear video evidence is available ( Interspersed with the video of him laying into the guy he has floored). Might he consider Reform?
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 28, 2024 22:42:33 GMT
Guido has some amusing clips of him condemning violence and complaining at the lack of prosecutions even when clear video evidence is available ( Interspersed with the video of him laying into the guy he has floored). Might he consider Reform? Amesbury is a Labour man. If you were creating a generic fictional Labour backbencher for telly, it would probably be similar to him. Reform...not a chance. |
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Post by greatkingrat on Oct 28, 2024 22:46:11 GMT
I very much doubt Reform would take him anyway.
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