carlton43
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Post by carlton43 on Oct 1, 2024 21:46:22 GMT
There isn't any difference at all because none of the three people you cite have made the issue "a core part of their identity", you couldn't possibly know that. They talk about it because it is brought up and has been raised to prominence by trans activists, I occasionally encounter people who think the earth is flat, a belief nearly as ridiculous as that of people who believe in transgenderism. When I do I dispute their nonsense, if there were more of them I'd dispute more often but that wouldn't make a belief in the globe a core part of my identity. JK Rowling discusses this stuff far more than she discusses what she is actually known for, her works of fiction. Keen started a political party over it. And Duffield has been extremely vocal in her general support of that ideology. I'm not sure what "transgenderism" is meant to be. I believe consenting adults should be free to do what they like with their body, even if it's potentially harmful like smoking. Choosing to undergo medical intervention to make one's body more closely resemble that of the other sex, and choosing to dress oneself in a manner atypical of one's birth sex, are both things which any consenting adult should obviously be free to do, as a basic liberal principle. Bollocks Bollox In both senses of each word. |
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Post by uthacalthing on Oct 1, 2024 22:16:04 GMT
I would have far more respect for RD if they had simply come out and said ‘I’m not really here for run of the mill politics, but I’d like to use my salaried position and office budget to be a full time campaigner on trans issues for the next 4 years’
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 13, 2024 14:18:13 GMT
Odd timing to leave now, rather than waiting for the leadership election to finish. The timing of Warsi's departure becomes clearer. She's got a book out. |
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Post by lackeroftalent on Oct 13, 2024 19:37:40 GMT
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Post by mboy on Oct 13, 2024 19:56:48 GMT
The SNP expelling people for stating facts is hardly new.
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Post by Merseymike on Oct 13, 2024 20:43:04 GMT
There are many, many issues which Mason is involved - the controversies are manifold! In the end the SNP had enough.
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Oct 16, 2024 15:25:16 GMT
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Post by Tony Otim on Oct 16, 2024 15:45:25 GMT
Richard Burgon MP is the Labour MP for Leeds East, the Labour government were elected with a manifesto that as a Labour candidate he agreed with, so therefore when he pushes this petition on Change.org, which is already Green party policy, are we going to see the first MP ever defect to the Greens No, next question please. |
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Post by stb12 on Oct 16, 2024 15:50:46 GMT
How many years did Jeremy Corbyn for example sit as a Labour MP while going against his party’s manifesto? It really is jumping a bit to get into defection talk there
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Post by batman on Oct 16, 2024 22:26:29 GMT
The Greens are welcome to him. But I don't think he will for one moment.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2024 4:26:37 GMT
Interesting - the whip has been suspended. I don't see him defecting, Harry. I could see Zarah Sultana defect. She could join the Independent Alliance. |
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Post by Tony Otim on Oct 17, 2024 6:55:51 GMT
The Greens are welcome to him. But I don't think he will for one moment. Nah, you're alright, thanks. Not interested. You can keep him. |
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Post by batman on Oct 17, 2024 8:34:01 GMT
OK Tony we will meet in the next few weeks & have a fight over who gets to have Richard Burgon with the object being not to. The referee will be a neutral. Perhaps carlton43 or doktorb
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Post by timrollpickering on Oct 17, 2024 8:58:21 GMT
The Greens are welcome to him. But I don't think he will for one moment. Nah, you're alright, thanks. Not interested. You can keep him. Have you got a pre-emptive ban in place? Or does that only apply to Winston McKenzie? |
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Post by batman on Oct 17, 2024 9:29:30 GMT
The Greens do sometimes reject high-profile membership applications, the best-known example being Ken Livingstone.
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Post by gibbon on Oct 17, 2024 14:18:10 GMT
It is possible that Burgon might defect to the Independent Alliance at some time in the future if he considers it politically expedient to do so, but not just now. The boundary changes make his seat not as safe as the one he was elected in 2015.
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Post by stb12 on Oct 17, 2024 14:32:11 GMT
Also it might be jumping the gun a bit for any left wing MP to assume that getting elected as an independent will be easy just because of the success of Corbyn and the heavy Muslim seat ones
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2024 16:14:11 GMT
Also it might be jumping the gun a bit for any left wing MP to assume that getting elected as an independent will be easy just because of the success of Corbyn and the heavy Muslim seat ones Yes that's very important to remember. Many on here underestimated independents previously. I sincerely doubt Burgon would win. John McDonnell would have a chance. For some, Greens make more sense. They may get closer to winning. Diane Abbott could win independently, arguably. However, I doubt she runs again. As to whether more independents try? It depends what happens in Gaza. |
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Post by stb12 on Oct 17, 2024 16:17:59 GMT
Also it might be jumping the gun a bit for any left wing MP to assume that getting elected as an independent will be easy just because of the success of Corbyn and the heavy Muslim seat ones Yes that's very important to remember. Many on here underestimated independents previously. I sincerely doubt Burgon would win. John McDonnell would have a chance. For some, Greens make more sense. They may get closer to winning. Diane Abbott could win independently, arguably. However, I doubt she runs again. As to whether more independents try? It depends what happens in Gaza. Corbyn was no doubt assisted greatly by his profile from the spell as leader. If he’d remained a backbencher his whole career would he have been likely to win as an independent then? Although I guess there might be a few things different with that alternate history |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2024 16:24:29 GMT
Yes that's very important to remember. Many on here underestimated independents previously. I sincerely doubt Burgon would win. John McDonnell would have a chance. For some, Greens make more sense. They may get closer to winning. Diane Abbott could win independently, arguably. However, I doubt she runs again. As to whether more independents try? It depends what happens in Gaza. Corbyn was no doubt assisted greatly by his profile from the spell as leader. If he’d remained a backbencher his whole career would he have been likely to win as an independent then? Although I guess there might be a few things different with that alternate history Oh that's not in any doubt. Greens will surge there post-Corbyn, IMO. Cf. Hackney North and Diane Abbot. We may see Labour-Green defections happen. |
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