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Post by hullenedge on Jul 31, 2024 16:00:57 GMT
Local Elections 1998 projected national vote share (and change on GE 1997): Lab 37% (-7%), Con 33% (+2%), Lib Dem 25% (+7%), Others 5% (-2%) Local Elections 2021 projected national vote share (for counties 2025): Con 40%, Lab 30%, Lib Dem 13%, Others 17% Estimate for 2025 based on 1998: Con 26%, Lab 26%, Lib Dem 19%, Others 29% You may find this an interesting read:- beyondthetopline.substack.com/p/forget-the-party-spin-what-does-history
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Post by stb12 on Jul 31, 2024 21:12:55 GMT
If you think my party is "Christian right" then you need a lie down. Seriously, a party which is filled to the brim with homosexuals, feminist GC types and is largely secular cannot be reasonably described as "Christian right" or in any way some sort of far right Christian outfit. To argue otherwise is stupid, dishonest or both. There was a few Christian Right people - Cates, Bruce - perhaps a fellow-traveller such as Badenoch - but that's about all Danny Kruger is the only surviving MP with some evangelical connections I think
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Post by john07 on Jul 31, 2024 21:34:30 GMT
There was a few Christian Right people - Cates, Bruce - perhaps a fellow-traveller such as Badenoch - but that's about all Danny Kruger is the only surviving MP with some evangelical connections I think Are there any from Northern Ireland?
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Post by stb12 on Jul 31, 2024 21:49:44 GMT
Danny Kruger is the only surviving MP with some evangelical connections I think Are there any from Northern Ireland? I was thinking Tory wise to be honest, certainly the DUP will still have strong evangelical connections
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Post by john07 on Jul 31, 2024 21:58:44 GMT
Are there any from Northern Ireland? I was thinking Tory wise to be honest, certainly the DUP will still have strong evangelical connections I was thinking Ian Paisley Junior, although he lost his seat.
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Post by greenchristian on Jul 31, 2024 22:28:26 GMT
There was a few Christian Right people - Cates, Bruce - perhaps a fellow-traveller such as Badenoch - but that's about all Danny Kruger is the only surviving MP with some evangelical connections I think Tim Farron?
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Sibboleth
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Post by Sibboleth on Jul 31, 2024 23:05:27 GMT
How are we defining Evangelical here?
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Post by Merseymike on Aug 1, 2024 8:31:41 GMT
How are we defining Evangelical here? Conservative Evangelical,theologically but also right wing politics. I used the 'Christian Right', I don't think there is a lot of them. Tim Farron is an Evangelical, he is left of centre.
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Post by iang on Aug 1, 2024 8:32:04 GMT
There would be several MPs across several parties who would consider themselves evangelical, but the context of the discussion was American style "Christian Right" and perhaps only Danny Kruger plus some NI MPs possibly would fit that category
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Aug 2, 2024 7:27:39 GMT
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Post by stb12 on Aug 2, 2024 8:45:28 GMT
She resigned the SDLP assembly whip at the time over it so her objections were well known, but came back into the fold to be selected as the Belfast South Westminster candidate later in the year
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Post by sanders on Aug 2, 2024 12:08:42 GMT
I am defecting from independent to Independent.
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Post by cathyc on Aug 2, 2024 12:34:48 GMT
I am defecting from independent to Independent. Traitor!
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Aug 2, 2024 22:01:27 GMT
Can't blame her. She's an avowed social democrat whereas FF are leading liberals (ducks for cover).
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Post by mattbewilson on Aug 3, 2024 0:01:52 GMT
Can't blame her. She's an avowed social democrat whereas FF are leading liberals (ducks for cover). not wrong tbf
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Post by nyx on Aug 8, 2024 12:26:32 GMT
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Aug 17, 2024 11:47:27 GMT
John Mason MSP has had the SNP whip removed over his social media comments on Israel/Palestine. www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg791g2z8zyoThere are two odd things about this. First, it seems it was his disputing that Israel was responsible for genocide which seems to have prompted him being thrown out. Scholars of international law would consider it a very live issue, to say the least. Second, what about all the other comments John Mason has made, which make it absolutely clear he is as mad as a box of frogs?
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Post by johnloony on Aug 17, 2024 12:07:01 GMT
John Mason MSP has had the SNP whip removed over his social media comments on Israel/Palestine. www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg791g2z8zyoThere are two odd things about this. First, it seems it was his disputing that Israel was responsible for genocide which seems to have prompted him being thrown out. Scholars of international law would consider it a very live issue, to say the least. Second, what about all the other comments John Mason has made, which make it absolutely clear he is as mad as a box of frogs? I am equally puzzled. If the SNP thinks that telling the truth about Israel (i.e. that it has not committed genocide) is “hateful” and “abhorrent”, and is not bothered about frog madness, then it has its priorities completely upside-down. P.S. I saw the headline on the BBC red button thingy, and I came to the news website to find the full story to check if I had understood it correctly - or to see if they had got the wording wrong. At first I thought they had inserted a “not” wrongly.
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Post by No Offence Alan on Aug 17, 2024 12:08:06 GMT
John Mason MSP has had the SNP whip removed over his social media comments on Israel/Palestine. www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg791g2z8zyoThere are two odd things about this. First, it seems it was his disputing that Israel was responsible for genocide which seems to have prompted him being thrown out. Scholars of international law would consider it a very live issue, to say the least. Second, what about all the other comments John Mason has made, which make it absolutely clear he is as mad as a box of frogs? His actual quote isn't that 'scholarly' - "If Israel wanted to commit genocide, they would have killed ten times as many."
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Post by johnloony on Aug 17, 2024 12:12:42 GMT
John Mason MSP has had the SNP whip removed over his social media comments on Israel/Palestine. www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg791g2z8zyoThere are two odd things about this. First, it seems it was his disputing that Israel was responsible for genocide which seems to have prompted him being thrown out. Scholars of international law would consider it a very live issue, to say the least. Second, what about all the other comments John Mason has made, which make it absolutely clear he is as mad as a box of frogs? His actual quote isn't that 'scholarly' - "If Israel wanted to commit genocide, they would have killed ten times as many." That’s even more accurate than I had thought.
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