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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Jul 31, 2024 5:14:04 GMT
Interesting read, sounds like he's rejoined the Conservatives more in hope than expectation. I doubt he'll be renewing his membership in a years time.
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jul 31, 2024 7:19:20 GMT
The Conservative Party tried going further and further right and as a result got their worst election defeat in modern times. Any sensible person would consider ensuring the future would be as a central-pivotted "patriotic without the pillocks" cricket-and-family party, leaving the loony-tune oddballs and fruit-loops to join Reform.
Having two social democratic and liberal parties didn't work in the 80s. Having two extreme Christian-Right parties won't work either.
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Post by matureleft on Jul 31, 2024 7:39:25 GMT
The Conservative Party tried going further and further right and as a result got their worst election defeat in modern times. Any sensible person would consider ensuring the future would be as a central-pivotted "patriotic without the pillocks" cricket-and-family party, leaving the loony-tune oddballs and fruit-loops to join Reform. Having two social democratic and liberal parties didn't work in the 80s. Having two extreme Christian-Right parties won't work either. ??!
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jul 31, 2024 8:00:13 GMT
The Conservative Party tried going further and further right and as a result got their worst election defeat in modern times. Any sensible person would consider ensuring the future would be as a central-pivotted "patriotic without the pillocks" cricket-and-family party, leaving the loony-tune oddballs and fruit-loops to join Reform. Having two social democratic and liberal parties didn't work in the 80s. Having two extreme Christian-Right parties won't work either. ??! Money flowing into the UK from extreme Christian nationalist groups is how we've seen such a shift from the English conservatism of Major to the Atlantic far-right of Trump and Bannon. It's a warped and perverted Christianity, one of "women know your place", "families or nothing", "purity over everything", but it's grounded in faith all the same. Look at JD Vance's cat lady statement.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jul 31, 2024 8:13:40 GMT
doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ go and have a fucking lie down. I know such things are considered un-parliamentary language here, but you talk about 'loony-tune oddballs and fruit-loops' and you are just about the most unhinged fucker I've ever encountered online - and I've known you a long time. You weren't always like that but since Brexit and then Covid you have completely lost your marbles
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Post by mboy on Jul 31, 2024 8:17:14 GMT
TBF, Brexit + Trump + Covid + Gaza has pretty much broken about a third of everyone on the internet...
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Jul 31, 2024 8:25:51 GMT
Money flowing into the UK from extreme Christian nationalist groups is how we've seen such a shift from the English conservatism of Major to the Atlantic far-right of Trump and Bannon. It's a warped and perverted Christianity, one of "women know your place", "families or nothing", "purity over everything", but it's grounded in faith all the same. Look at JD Vance's cat lady statement. This is batshit. The idea that my party is “Christian right” is laughable.
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Post by cathyc on Jul 31, 2024 8:29:39 GMT
doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ go and have a fucking lie down. I know such things are considered un-parliamentary language here, but you talk about 'loony-tune oddballs and fruit-loops' and you are just about the most unhinged fucker I've ever encountered online - and I've known you a long time. You weren't always like that but since Brexit and then Covid you have completely lost your marbles One of you needs a lie down and to re-hinge themselves. It's not Doc.
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Post by r34t on Jul 31, 2024 9:07:22 GMT
A "Christian-Right" party led by a practicing Hindu is a bit ... unusual ....
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Jul 31, 2024 9:52:04 GMT
Let's be fair. There are more than enough credible allegations of being unhinged to go around for everybody here.
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Post by cathyc on Jul 31, 2024 10:15:42 GMT
A "Christian-Right" party led by a practicing Hindu is a bit ... unusual .... Why not? There's a Christian far right party in the USA led by someone with no religion at all.
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Jul 31, 2024 10:26:58 GMT
doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ go and have a fucking lie down. I know such things are considered un-parliamentary language here, but you talk about 'loony-tune oddballs and fruit-loops' and you are just about the most unhinged fucker I've ever encountered online - and I've known you a long time. You weren't always like that but since Brexit and then Covid you have completely lost your marbles One of you needs a lie down and to re-hinge themselves. It's not Doc. If you think my party is "Christian right" then you need a lie down. Seriously, a party which is filled to the brim with homosexuals, feminist GC types and is largely secular cannot be reasonably described as "Christian right" or in any way some sort of far right Christian outfit. To argue otherwise is stupid, dishonest or both.
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Post by timrollpickering on Jul 31, 2024 10:27:49 GMT
A "Christian-Right" party led by a practicing Hindu is a bit ... unusual .... Why not? There's a Christian far right party in the USA led by someone with no religion at all Which one? Not the Republicans. It's clear that Donald Trump regularly worships... himself.
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Post by Merseymike on Jul 31, 2024 10:44:40 GMT
One of you needs a lie down and to re-hinge themselves. It's not Doc. If you think my party is "Christian right" then you need a lie down. Seriously, a party which is filled to the brim with homosexuals, feminist GC types and is largely secular cannot be reasonably described as "Christian right" or in any way some sort of far right Christian outfit. To argue otherwise is stupid, dishonest or both. There was a few Christian Right people - Cates, Bruce - perhaps a fellow-traveller such as Badenoch - but that's about all
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Post by carlton43 on Jul 31, 2024 11:21:57 GMT
TBF, Brexit + Trump + Covid + Gaza has pretty much broken about a third of everyone on the internet... Excellent. Couldn't happen to 'nicer' people. ENJOY! ENJOY!!!
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Post by iang on Jul 31, 2024 11:57:40 GMT
There isn't enough of a Christian vote in England (it might be a bit less true of other UK countries) for there to be a meaningful Christian right vote or level of support, and in any case, my impression has always been that Christian voters just split according to national lines rather than any distinctive Christian vote. And there isn't meaningfully a Christian right vote, with the exception of one or two like Miriam Cates, in the US sense here. I've heard the head of the Evangelical Alliance (who lives in Milton Keynes and votes Lib Dem, which will please ricmk), say that in the USA, he would not describe himself as an evangelical, so politically debased has the term become there
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Post by The Bishop on Jul 31, 2024 12:02:35 GMT
Worth noting the 1998 and 1999 local elections were very bad for Labour, partly because there seems to have been a feeling amongst some Labour supporters that now they had a Labour government, it wasn't important to vote Labour locally any more. Well up to a point, the party certainly way underperformed what polls were saying at the time but OTOH they still managed to be clearly ahead in the "national popular vote" calculations in both 1998 and 1999. I think that Labour would accept a repeat of that in 2025 and 2026 without hesitation.
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Post by nodealbrexiteer on Jul 31, 2024 13:17:37 GMT
Worth noting the 1998 and 1999 local elections were very bad for Labour, partly because there seems to have been a feeling amongst some Labour supporters that now they had a Labour government, it wasn't important to vote Labour locally any more. Well up to a point, the party certainly way underperformed what polls were saying at the time but OTOH they still managed to be clearly ahead in the "national popular vote" calculations in both 1998 and 1999. I think that Labour would accept a repeat of that in 2025 and 2026 without hesitation. the national polls at the time were irrelevant in terms of 'predicting' local election outcomes
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Post by greenchristian on Jul 31, 2024 13:34:47 GMT
Money flowing into the UK from extreme Christian nationalist groups is how we've seen such a shift from the English conservatism of Major to the Atlantic far-right of Trump and Bannon. It's a warped and perverted Christianity, one of "women know your place", "families or nothing", "purity over everything", but it's grounded in faith all the same. Look at JD Vance's cat lady statement. Do you have any evidence for the claim in your first sentence? Also, it's worth noting that "Christian nationalism" in the US is actually negatively correlated with being religious. It's rooted not in faith, but in non-religious right-wingers conflating their national identity with a religious label.
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Jul 31, 2024 13:47:40 GMT
Local Elections 1998 projected national vote share (and change on GE 1997): Lab 37% (-7%), Con 33% (+2%), Lib Dem 25% (+7%), Others 5% (-2%)
Local Elections 2021 projected national vote share (for counties 2025): Con 40%, Lab 30%, Lib Dem 13%, Others 17% Estimate for 2025 based on 1998: Con 26%, Lab 26%, Lib Dem 19%, Others 29%
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