ColinJ
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Post by ColinJ on Jul 24, 2024 16:09:56 GMT
Nah, don't think that she actually wanted to have the whip removed last night. She (and indeed most if not all of the 7) almost certainly thought that they would get away with a slap on the wrist. They were specifically warned in advance otherwise. Sultana claimed not, during an interview on Radio 4's World at One. Who to believe?
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jul 24, 2024 16:30:08 GMT
They were specifically warned in advance otherwise. Sultana claimed not, during an interview on Radio 4's World at One. Who to believe? Surely they didn't need to be specifically warned? A King's Speech is a showpiece for a brand-new government, and you'd expect that this was clear enough.
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Post by john07 on Jul 24, 2024 17:07:31 GMT
They were specifically warned in advance otherwise. Sultana claimed not, during an interview on Radio 4's World at One. Who to believe? Is Sultana the currant rebel?
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Post by ColinJ on Jul 24, 2024 17:13:50 GMT
Sultana claimed not, during an interview on Radio 4's World at One. Who to believe? Is Sultana the currant rebel? A reasonable question. I didn't approve her raisin for rebelling.
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Post by mattbewilson on Jul 24, 2024 17:33:07 GMT
We now live in a world where parliament in made up of several different parties that make up a broad spectrum of political beliefs. This isn't the 20th century where the two parties dominate. We will have more interventions than we've ever had on all sorts of subjects. This will test the big tent political parties.
Now sure perhaps this is even more reason for discipline. But clearly the current strategy is what is driving multiple parties ending up in parliament pushing the walls of these broad churches. Now who cares? Labour have got a majority right? Anyone would exchange a majority for half a dozen Greens, Welsh nationalists, Scots nationalists, alt right, greens and Gaza indies. But you can't complain that we got our walls creaking when it was a sacrifice we made, rightly, to win.
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Post by nodealbrexiteer on Jul 24, 2024 19:17:59 GMT
Is Sultana the currant rebel? A reasonable question. I didn't approve her raisin for rebelling. I tried to resist using the word but am glad someone did!
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Post by uthacalthing on Jul 24, 2024 20:06:04 GMT
As somebody who witnessed the campaigning in Blackburn constituency, which was dishonest, ethnically-targeted, and vile, may I suggest you are not necessarily the best-placed to be aware of the situation on the ground. It was far worse for women, as I witnessed. You cannot blame Kier Starmer for such misogyny. what do you blame for such misogyny?
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Post by cathyc on Jul 24, 2024 20:18:44 GMT
As somebody who witnessed the campaigning in Blackburn constituency, which was dishonest, ethnically-targeted, and vile, may I suggest you are not necessarily the best-placed to be aware of the situation on the ground. It was far worse for women, as I witnessed. You cannot blame Kier Starmer for such misogyny. what do you blame for such misogyny? Here's a clue. The two biggest donors to Galloway's crowdfunding page were Andrew Tate and his brother.
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Post by uthacalthing on Jul 24, 2024 20:28:18 GMT
I have strong reservations about Child benefits and I have done so for forty years since I read that one of the good things about child benefit was that even abusive husbands did not take child benefit from their wives. Which I read and thought "fantastic, a subsidy for abusive husbands"
Since then I have observed higher tax threshold women for whom it is a hairdressing and magazine fund and heard of far richer ones who bank the child benefit for 18 years then give it to their dahling Cressida. I have seen women choose to have children that they were in no position to raise and reference the signal that child benefit gives them, that society approves of people having kids they are in no position not raise.
To have kids you need to have oodles of time, love and money and an extra £16.95 a week does not come close to covering it. I would suggest that Child benefit should be phased out
It might be useful to pay the repayments on a womans university fees while she is on maternity leave. That would give out a far better set of signals.
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Post by uthacalthing on Jul 24, 2024 20:32:47 GMT
what do you blame for such misogyny? Here's a clue. The two biggest donors to Galloway's crowdfunding page were Andrew Tate and his brother. They really are odious creeps arent they? What % of Galloways funding came for his crowdfunding page?
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Post by cathyc on Jul 24, 2024 21:39:25 GMT
Here's a clue. The two biggest donors to Galloway's crowdfunding page were Andrew Tate and his brother. They really are odious creeps arent they? What % of Galloways funding came for his crowdfunding page? One of the crowdfunding sites raised £8,650 for him. I don't think it's possible yet to say what percentage of his overall warchest that was but 60% had come from the Tates.
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Post by batman on Jul 24, 2024 22:34:49 GMT
Is Sultana the currant rebel? A reasonable question. I didn't approve her raisin for rebelling. that’s a grape post Colin
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Post by john07 on Jul 25, 2024 0:35:19 GMT
A reasonable question. I didn't approve her raisin for rebelling. I tried to resist using the word but am glad someone did! I was going to add that one to the original post but decided to leave it to someone else.
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Jul 25, 2024 5:17:33 GMT
A reasonable question. I didn't approve her raisin for rebelling. that’s a grape post Colin It does amuseli.
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Jul 25, 2024 5:27:19 GMT
What will be interesting to see during this Parliament is the following: Of the six independents elected, four on the subject of Gaza, one in opposition to Labour and one a former DUP member, how many times will they all be in the same lobby opposing the government?
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Post by carlton43 on Jul 25, 2024 6:29:27 GMT
A reasonable question. I didn't approve her raisin for rebelling. I tried to resist using the word but am glad someone did! Well : To be candied she has no apeel to me.
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Post by uthacalthing on Jul 25, 2024 11:12:04 GMT
They really are odious creeps arent they? What % of Galloways funding came for his crowdfunding page? One of the crowdfunding sites raised £8,650 for him. I don't think it's possible yet to say what percentage of his overall warchest that was but 60% had come from the Tates. Thanks, good research. So, £5k from the odious Tates. Perhaps 10% of his cash war chest, but we all know that Galloways strength does not lie in paid for advertising or printing, it lies in a very well organised ground game of volunteers and..........influencers
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Post by The Bishop on Jul 26, 2024 10:19:16 GMT
Nah, don't think that she actually wanted to have the whip removed last night. She (and indeed most if not all of the 7) almost certainly thought that they would get away with a slap on the wrist. Do you think that the whips failed to explain the consequence of their actions? Or, I suppose an alternative, that they chose not to interact with the whips? Even if they were told quite explicitly by the whips what would happen, it is surely far from impossible the MPs in question concluded that they were saying that in order to "encourage" people - especially the substantial new Labour intake - into compliance, and they were bluffing at the end of the day. You will of course have had more experience of their behaviour than most of us, did they "say what they mean and mean what they day" as a rule?
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Post by Crimson King on Jul 26, 2024 10:20:21 GMT
if you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime
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Post by Crimson King on Jul 26, 2024 10:21:42 GMT
On a more serious note, what are the practical disadvantages of having the whip withdrawn?
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